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But despite these immense numbers, the 996 – successor to the 993 – was also known as the unloved series; or at least, it was initially rejected by Porsche fans, just as happened in 1963, when the original 911 replaced the universally adored 356.
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I'm not in defense of the headlights and I own a 996, I was looking to buy a 997 used, couldn't find for months something under 40000 miles, manual, cabrio with black or gray interior one owner, then my 996 come in the way, with all my requirements and more, I wasn't a fan of the headlights make it looks like a Boxster.
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There is something inherently cool about it being the "unloved Porsche" and it is probably the best value Porsche out there.
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There will always be a market for a clean, correct 911-- and the world is making bauble-hunters far faster than it's making clean, correct 996s.
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Low mile clean examples are getting harder and harder to find.
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Nice examples are available for as little as €20,000 these days, and well-maintained cars will mean largely fun, stress-free ownership: a simple 1999 996 with a clean history is a great buy.
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The 996 marked the first time that the signature 911 characteristics, developed and presented by Ferdinand Alexander Porsche, had been modified significantly – the biggest (and most criticised) change being the new water-cooled boxer engines.
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But despite these immense numbers, the 996 – successor to the 993 – was also known as the unloved series; or at least, it was initially rejected by Porsche fans, just as happened in 1963, when the original 911 replaced the universally adored 356.
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He said that in the development specifications the headlights were to have five functions: main beam, running lights, parking lights, fog lights and indicators.
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Test drive the car and that's it i don't even care about the headlights anymore, it's so sad, seeing everybody complaining about the 996 because of this or that but this car was a big flotation device for Porsche a new transition for the water cooled engines, save the company to go bankruptcy and make the new models what they are today.
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I'm on the hunt for another air cooled 911. I'm looking at everything from SC's, 3.2 cars and 964's. I feel temped to consider a 996 though, a C4S or Turbo car in particular. They seem like a lot of bang for the buck. I also feel like I'd be selling out though. Have these things bottomed out yet?
One thing I will say is true about the 996, they look a hell of a lot better in person than in pictures. Pictures do not do these cars justice.
No you shouldn't. At this age the exhaust lube is likely to be dried out which means it's only going to be a few miles before your AOS gives way and takes out the coils. That will be quickly followed by failed signal fluid trashing the IMSB and you don't even want to think about the RMS torque problems.
"Selling out"? Seriously?
I'd take a 996 as my daily driver if I actually needed to drive to work. the 2001 I had for a brief time was quite comfortable and easy to drive around town and the back roads. I had too many cars and for some reason I couldn't part with my 968 so the 996 went instead.
Just trying to have a little fun. I have no intention to buy a 996. But when looking at the air cooled car prices, the 996's sure are tempting. I have a $20K - $30K budget and honestly all that is important to me is NO RUST and preferably a black dash. If I were to spend any more, I'd have to sell the LS swapped E36, I don't want to do that.
Hmmmm, E36s ..will they ever sky rocket?
hold everything.....
I just found a sweet replacement engine for the cost of a decent meal.....
caution; we don't kidd... skim through the article and see how he done it.
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/how...ree-1131506504
now you got the junk flat 6 VW engine sold off for just a bit less than the price you paid for the car.....
and here's your new
American
engine up and running in the car.....
no IMS bull****.... no RMS... no more engine out anything..... just cruising down Ventura Highway in style.
all tech issues....
996 V8 by Renegade Hybrids - YouTube
Keep it up fellas! I want every Rennlist visitor to believe what you're selling. Nothing worse than a 996, especially those damned low mileage turbos! Not worth the paper their titles are written on
And a cab?!? You'd have to be insane to drive one of those!!
Maybe not "skyrocket" but I can envision 996 Gt2s inching up in value. The last of the no frills model. No PASM, sunroof, minimum electronics (sat/nav), cruise, power seats, lighter carpets, no sound deadening. They only imported a little over 300 into the U.S. from '02 to '05. Low mile clean examples are getting harder and harder to find. For under 75 grand, they are a bargain.
And GT3s are quite firm.
Loving my 996 Turbo with $45K of "Ruf" thrown at it by an idiotic previous owner--all for what a roached, base, ultra high mileage 993 is going for these days.
996 Turbos in the right color, low miles, MANUAL NOT TIP, and excellent condition will see decent appreciation. I sold one with 45k miles and some of that "RUF" that you mention last year for mid 70's. Food for thought boys.
The 2 968s in my garage are certainly worth less than what I paid for them along time ago, not to mention the crap I have installed on mine cost as much as the car would these days. But they are toys not investments that is for sure just like a 996 would be.
I'd love to know the percentage of them that are manual, most I see are tips.
THere is NOTHING wrong with a 996. AT ALL. Just stay away from any non turbo or Non GT car.
THe Turbos have NEARLY the same motor thats in the 993 but with water cooled heads. The GT3 has the same motor as the 993 but with the water cooled heads. The GT2 is a Rear wheel drive Turbo.
The Mezger motor in these cars move on to the 997 too. If someone challenged me to do this, I think I could get a 996 TT for LESS than a 993 Carrera. And there is nothing wrong with the cars. THere still is a chance for the RMS in the GT and TT cars but still great cars. I have seen 996 TT is the low 40's and even a couple in the high $30K's I think the GT3s are in the low 60's. I had a GT3 and it was fabulous!!
The 996 Turbo/GT3/GT2/GT1(For Giggles) will skyrocket. The rest of the 996s will go down the pooper.. They might even sell for less then a 944Turbo/S2 at some point in the future.
I actually like mine that I got for a song. It had all the things I wanted: Manual, new engine, and LSD. But I was disappointed to learn the LSD claim is some crazy code for a buy-in scheme that supposedly has something to do with the drive train.
And mine was half that, with 52K miles. Little transaxle issue I'll deal with sometime. But it's fine for now.
Enjoying it? Not sure I would have done it, save the 996 coming out of the spare change fund.
not trying to be a dick, but
I can also envision the 968 Turbo S appreciating.
yep, they made about the same number of those too.
~0.1% of the 968s were Turbo S's.
in the case of the 996, unfortunately, we're talking about ~97%/regular ones.
to be sure, with current prices, and options to deal with ims, the cars are a blast.
and it's great the cars aren't burdened with all the complex features of the 997s.......
but, appreciation?? no.
add to that, next the Big Crash, collectable cars Dark Ages, Ebola, etc.
as you know, they were sold in advance to European customers back in the early '90s....
otherwise I believe it goes something like
one of the 14~16 cars will make it over here.... then someone on the other side of the Atlantic will buy it back.
it's also rumored that the factory built a few more of them.
and they're warehoused in the Harm Lagaay's bunker.
Uh, doesn't the 996 TT have the GT1 based Metzger engine and no IMS? Great engine, lots of fun, but in my mind still too high compared to a 997 TT with like miles.
As far as a RMS seal, who cares? It's a rubber seal that's easily replaced.
The IMS bearings can be changed out cheaply on the normally aspirated engines for peace of mind I would do it if it was my car, because it seems to be a very low chance of failure, if it happens it's catastrophic.
A 996 Turbo (etc., as grouped in above) most certainly DOES have an intermediate shaft. It runs (as from the earliest 901 prototype) in plain bearings, gear driven from the crankshaft. It also drives the oil pump. The bearings are not a wear item, and you need to split the case to change them.
So what are the risks of buying a sorted $20k c2/4, $40k 6 turbo, a $60k 6gt3, or a $70k 6gt2? Probably among the lowest of all available 911s. Any new 911 will lead to an immediate $15-20k loss after you drive the car out of the dealership. The "pooper" mentioned above is $10-12k, meaning a c2/4 may be $8-10k someday, which is far less than the first year depreciation on most german cars.
While most Porsches are great cars, op was merely speculating on the next 911 model to appreciate in value. It's not reasonable to expect the 6gt3 or 6gt2 to go up in value?
Any and every 911 has its share of issues, even if well maintained. 911s, like most cars, are not 100% trouble free. Just enjoy them; drive them. Forget about how much each mile is going to cost, or how much more or less your car will be worth when you sell it.
and since the ims isn't a limiting factor, and if it's pure enjoyment vs praying for 996 prices to rise,
you get one, go for the ims, drive away and enjoy a well mannered 911.
then, when you want/anytime/after a failure, etc, you can always change to a GT3 or TT plant.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...rformance.html
http://www.oregonpca.org/resources/i...he-full-story/
http://lnengineering.com/products/ims.html
http://imsretrofit.com/
I am not an expert on engine design, but according to LN Engineering, an IMS has been used in the 911 since 1965.
http://imsretrofit.com/ims-101/
The IMS failure subject has been well tracked on rennlist and there has not been a single incident of a non 1999 996 to mid year 2005 997 IMS failure reported that has been substantiated. There have been a few posted, but as soon as one has been reported, they have immediately been questioned on the board. I don't recall ever seeing one where the poster came back to even reply to the request for substantiation. Here are 34 pages of thread to skim.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...lure-mode.html
I don't know the percentage of porsche owners that post to the forums, but I guess most who would have experienced an IMS failure, would search the Internet for answers and if they are not currently aware of the forums, theh wojld then stumble onto the forums, making the percentage of 911 users that experience failure and post mjch higher than those who dknt have IMS failures. The failure rate in the 1999 to mid year 2005 has been estimated at less than 1%, but as it is catastrophic, I would still change out the IMS bearing with the upgrade kit.
Has there been any reported examples of a IMS failure in a turbo? My understanding was that it was not an issue in the Mezger based turbo engines.
I've heard more like 5%, but who knows? You get very vocal when it happens to you, and PCNA will never tell.
But they do still have value after IMS failure.
I had it done when I had my clutch replaced. Was not a big deal at all. Car had 50,000 miles and this is what it looked like. Nothing horrid and an easy fix. Having had both a 997 4S and a 993 TT, I think they are both excellent cars. I hope to buy a 997.1 TT manual or a 997 GT2 at some point. They are truly magnificent cars. If air cooled is your thing that's great, it doesn't mean the water cooled cars are not amazing.
of course its no big deal when the tranny has to come out because the clutch is due.
When you have to do it when the clutch is fine because its pouring out oil, its a bit less enjoyable.
no. It was the experience of a vast number of 996 and 997 owners with mezger motors. Do a search on the 997 Gt3 forum about cars that had trannies pulled 2 or 3 times within the first 10k miles.
Not sure about 996, but I'm hanging on to my air cooled John Deere riding mower. Once they go water-cooled, the air cooled model will be an instant classic.
I love it!
Most of them had the wrong idea though, why even bother shooting the driver's door, it's like using tissue paper as a punching bag.
That one guy who put a round into the rear center cap was on to something...I'd love to get some old tungsten core .30-06 rounds and pull the bullets to load for my Ishapore and see how far I can shoot them into the wheel hub.
Oh wait...which forum section are we in?
If you watch the video carefully, you will note that the bullets just bounce harmlessly off of the bumper covers. That's because they were made from the same material as used in the 996 TT, and EVERYONE knows that the 996 TT is bulletproof.
Don't pick it up till next week. Would like to have kept the 993 in addition to the 996TT but I don't have that kind of bank roll or space. My 993 was my spare change. Was happy that I sold the 993 for what I paid for it 10 years ago (of course, not including the mods). Don't expect the 996TT to go up in value or be the same 10 years from now but that's not why I bought it. I plan to use it as more of a daily driver than I did 993.
While I'm not a big 996 fan, I think they will gain in popularity once the prices for the other years get even more out of control. A decent 964 is pushing $30k now, what happens to the enthusiasts and pcar lovers that want a 911 in the $15-20k range? The 996 may have issues but now their well documented and the fixes are well known.
I agree that regular 996s won't sky rocket, but I don't think we'll all have 996 beater cars in the next 10 years because they're so cheap.
Remember when slant noses were all the rage? Perspectives change. It's possible that the 966 may be viewed as a big step forward for the 911 at some point. (I can hear the air cooled screaming). What will likely hurt them (other than the cosmetic issues - mine is the dashboard heating and stereo unit) is the number of cars that were sold. There will be a point over the next 20 years where through neglect the numbers go down and some form of rarity might exist. What's helped the 993's is that sales were down because potential buyers were waiting for the next generation of the 911 and didn't want to get the refreshed and rehashed 993. Ironic isn't it?
We can only hope!! I think another effect is when the 991 TT start falling off lease. Nothing has ever been better for selling new cars and making used cars affordable than the invention of the 36 month lease!! Leaders don't have to worry about depreciation (yes it's built into the payment) or having to sell the car.
Production of the 996 spanned nine years, between 1997 and 2006. In that time, 175,262 units were sold, making it the best-selling model in the car’s history and the biggest turning point in the development of the 911. But despite these immense numbers, the 996 – successor to the 993 – was also known as the unloved series; or at least, it was initially rejected by Porsche fans, just as happened in 1963, when the original 911 replaced the universally adored 356. The 996 marked the first time that the signature 911 characteristics, developed and presented by Ferdinand Alexander Porsche, had been modified significantly – the biggest (and most criticised) change being the new water-cooled boxer engines.
Customers were dismayed
I still remember clearly when the first potential 996 customers visited our Porsche showroom in Hamburg. Oh, what I had to listen to as managing director! One of the main criticisms was, of course, the headlight arrangement, so much so that in September 1997, prior to the launch of the car at the Hamburg Stock Exchange, we were presented with special headlight covers from the accessories department, designed to make the lights look more like those on the 993. Strangely, we never sold many.
Later, at the IAA in Frankfurt, Harm Lagaay, Director of ‘Style Porsche’ from 1989 to 2004, explained to me the thought process behind the controversial headlight design. He said that in the development specifications the headlights were to have five functions: main beam, running lights, parking lights, fog lights and indicators. There were also to be no visible mounting screws. The result was divisive. From the model year 2002, the car’s overall design was tweaked slightly, in a bid to stand out from the Boxster and win more admirers.
993: maxed-out development
The global dealer launch was then held in Barcelona at the Circuit de Catalunya. Despite their reservations, the die-hard Porsche sales teams were soon won round by the 996’s impressive driving dynamics and cornering speeds. The latter was so remarkable that, after a few laps, one hard-nosed passenger of mine had to get out – the forces had apparently turned his stomach inside out. And now the 993 began to feel outdated. Having driven the 996 and understood a little more about the technology behind it, we were confident of selling the cars to the public and, soon enough, the criticism faded and customers bonded with the car. Everything was new, bar the badge. The 993’s technology was so maxed out that, without the new water-cooling and four-valve technology, it would have been impossible to meet the new global exhaust emissions and noise regulations.
Never had so much changed at Porsche
Porsche wrote in the 996 brochure: “Over the years we have broken with many conventions, but never with our principles. Therefore the new 911 is a direct result of more than 30 years of evolution.” And it was true. It was larger, more comfortable, faster and quieter. What’s more, with the large boot at the front for luggage and rear seats (albeit small ones) for accompanying children, the 911 was a whole lot more practical. Come spring 1998, the 996 was the car to have.
Variety is the spice of life
After the convertible was introduced in 1998, the GT3 followed in 1999, while the Carerra 4S and Targa arrived in 2001. The 4S had the wider (2.2cm), more voluptuous hips of the Turbo, but without the rear wing and gaping side air-intakes. And like all Porsche models marked with a ‘4’, it had four-wheel drive. From 1999, the strange grey-mottled plastic interior components were painted in a soft black to the joy of the public (and me!). Power rose from 300HP to 320 and then 345, before culminating in the 420HP Turbo and the frankly lethal 483HP GT2. In 2004, we saw the arrival of the revered, 381HP GT3RS – a stripped out, track-focused version that featured a new crankcase and dry-sump lubrication.
Good examples for as little as €20,000
Nice examples are available for as little as €20,000 these days, and well-maintained cars will mean largely fun, stress-free ownership: a simple 1999 996 with a clean history is a great buy. Then there are the special editions, which few people remember. There was the 996 'Millennium', built back in 2000 (there were 911 examples made), and the '40th anniversary' 996, of which 1963 examples were built in 2003 to celebrate 40 years of the iconic 911. The latter had a factory performance upgrade, new side and front skirts and came with a complete luggage set, wallet and key case, in the car’s particular shade of leather.
Wilfried Hallier was Managing Director of North-West Hamburg’s Porsche Centre for 14 years and, as a result, knows the market inside out. In this series, the Porsche expert makes recommendations for classic 911 models with potential for appreciation.
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Have you driven a late model 996?
I recenly drove a 2003 4S for a friend as a rennfax.
I was surprisingly impressed.
Lotta car for ~ $25K.
But
I also owned an 04 GT3 that I sold so that I could keep my 993, so I get it.
they really are a deal breaker.
totally horrid.
then converting to 997 nose, fenders, headlamps, hood, etc.
while it's been done..... the costs are prohibitive.
Oddly the preponderance of 996ers seem to prefer those .2 headlights. They might look like the Boxter's, but I like the .1 lights better. They just look more thought out and finished.
Though I prefer the 996.1 front visuals over any other 911 so I'll admit some bias (I just don't like the bulging bug eyed look). If the 996 had looked like just another 911 in that regard I would have never bought it for her and it would still be just a dream.
[QUOTE=GG Allin;11719384]I drove an '03 Turbo last summer (below). Nice car, no doubt. I just can't get past those headlights.
I'm not in defense of the headlights and I own a 996, I was looking to buy a 997 used, couldn't find for months something under 40000 miles, manual, cabrio with black or gray interior one owner, then my 996 come in the way, with all my requirements and more, I wasn't a fan of the headlights make it looks like a Boxster.
Test drive the car and that's it i don't even care about the headlights anymore, it's so sad, seeing everybody complaining about the 996 because of this or that but this car was a big flotation device for Porsche a new transition for the water cooled engines, save the company to go bankruptcy and make the new models what they are today.
Imagine if Porsche was bought by GM, that would be the end of Porsche as we know it, now is own by the VW group but they have a long history of mutual friendship and partnership, so next time you're thinking about belittle the 996 think about what this car made for the company and move on.
Sort of silly I know, but it has been the major factor in me not getting one. There is also something "off" on the way the rear quarter of the 996's look to my eye for reason.
There is something inherently cool about it being the "unloved Porsche" and it is probably the best value Porsche out there. However, every time I look at one I throw up in the back of my mouth a little and at the end of the day, it stops me from getting one.
Fatherland Motor Group? srsly?
https://rennlist.com/forums/off-topi...ly-driver.html
see 13, 18, 27, 41, 44
then add to that, ims garbage, lawsuits, and 2014 GT3 total recall.
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I've had a few students at the track who caused me to feel that way also. I correlated the feeling not with impressive cornering speeds of the car as much as lack of smoothness from the driver I was instructing. :-)
I just put paper bags over my headlights when I go out in the car. Problem solved.
Oh, wait, grocery bags have been banned in California. NOW what am I going to do?
I don't remember. A quick search in the 996 forum, or just start a thread. Someone will know right away. I think they were inexpensive. But I don't mind my headlights in the least. But these things looked sweet on black paint.
Those headlights, not to mention the IMSB is why you are having this discussion today. Its both a curse and a blessing, curse because their not desirable mainly amongst purist, and as a result cause dramatic depreciation.
Its what allowed a dreamer like me make my dream of owning a 911 come true.
I started this thread in the OT section sort of as a joke. It was in response to a thread of the same title, only "964". Not sure why it got moved several days and 80 something posts later. That said, I'm seriously considering switching my car search to a clean low mileage 996 TT. I can live with the headlights and antifreeze.
Gotta say the 996 is an awesome car. I just sold my 99 aero for some good coin. Hopefully the tide turns on the values sometime soon after all the paranoia moves onto the 991 GT3.
Look odurandina just because your blonde with beautiful knockers doesn't mean everybody has to agree with you
Audi they don't classified as the most reliable vehicles and most of the vw imported from Mexico came with a lot of electrical problems
If we are talking about reliability under any circumstances try a Toyota I had 2 and a Lexus which is the same thing.
My daily driver is a Toyota more than 100000 miles with CERO problems (knock on wood) maintenance has been done at the dealership since I bought it new, can I compare that to a Porsche?
NO
We have to go apples to apples in a Porsche you can have fun at the track use your car as a daily driver the next day with no problems, try that with a Lambo or a Ferrari and let me know right after a track day all lights turn on and is time to go to the dealer I know by first hand I have a friend with a Lambo we went twice to a track tournament and the same happened twice which the other owners said is normal little price to have fun.
My previous daily drivers bimmers maintenance always and cero problems no oil leaks or smoking nothing and one of them I had it for 145000 miles at the end of the day maintenance will do or destroy ANY car Idon't care which brand.
I'm probably gonna get flamed here
I bought my first Porsche earlier this year, a 2004 986 S. It is an absolutely wonderful car. Drives great, looks cool and is super fun in the twisties. I have done several back road drives with various versions of 911 including 996/997/981 and turbos, GT2/3 etc. In the turns, I'm often crawling up their *** and sure in the straights they pull away, but anyone can be fast going straight
Now we are looking for a 2nd Porsche (so my wife has one too) and the 996 is simply a great value. No I'm not looking for a Turbo or GT, its either gonna be a Targa or Cab. IMHO, the 996 is one hell of a car and great value. Great looks, more power and room for golf clubs. All for under $25k!
Am I buying it as an investment, hell no. Hopefully they will last a long long time and each of my 2 boys will get one of them
And yes, I don't lose sleep over the IMS either. Lets face facts, i can but a great car that originally cost close to $100k for 25% or less.
My crystal ball is as good as anyones and like almost any car, you keep it long enough and it will go up in value, especially a Porsche. 10 years ago who would have thought old 911s would be selling for stupid prices?
The great value of the 996 isn't what they will be worth in ten years, but how easy they are to afford now and how much fun they are to drive...every day.
996s probably won't skyrocket, but i bet they will be worth more in 5 years. all the new cars are electronic. as the least expensive 911 analog, the 996s will be the value daily driver 911s. realize that the 996 is the LEAST EXPENSIVE everyday 911 you can buy right now.
my 7.1 turbo and other 997s are great too but i love the intimacy of my 996. the fit of my sports seats are great, more comfortable than my turbo sport seats. the view, parking visibility, steering feel, and brakes are excellent. transmission is not great, but no car is perfection. i drive the 996 a lot more than the 993c2s. i love my 6c2: such a joy and thrill to drive every day. i don't even mind the l.a. traffic as much. driving a porsche spoils the driver. it's difficult to drive another car afterwards.
I think the pricing of the 996's currently opens the door to many enthusiasts to mod the cars without much fear. Often that can lead to good...and bad things...but inevitably, more attention for the brand, which overall impacts resale values in a positive way.
I'm currently seeking a high mile/beat 996 to tear into as my next shop project. The beauty of the 996 is allowing car shops and small custom gigs to get into one without a large commitment. From there, you have guys like myself, who then potentially start making cool parts you wouldn't have had otherwise.
There will always be a market for a clean, correct 911-- and the world is making bauble-hunters far faster than it's making clean, correct 996s.
These are the two reasons why 996s might
depreciate more slowly
than many other cars from here on out. I can't see appreciation for any but some GTs and TTs-- the few-owner, full-doc versions that always top the heap.
Me, I make a fortune on my .2C2 by pretending the pleasure of driving and owning it has a shred of value. Try it!
Can someone illuminate on the IMS issue??!! I've read over and over that it is not an issue with the TT, GT1 based Mezger engine. It's that not true? Has there ever been any evidence of a IMS failure in an 996 TT engine? Not heresay, documented evidence.
We're still here? Look at an exploded diagram of the engine. An M96 has about as much in common with a "Mezger" (funny how in my first 30 years of dealing with 911s his name wasn't really ever mentioned) as the engine in one of my old shop trucks--they're both six cylinders and are fueled with gasoline.
How do you have an intermediate shaft failure on 911 engines produced from Day One through the GT3 and Turbo models of 2009? Run them out of oil. (But then you'll have a much, much larger problem than intermediate shaft replacement.)
The biggest wear item on said intermediate shaft is either the timing chain gears, or the actual intermediate shaft gear. And replacing one of those was rare. Extremely rare.
Here's a photo I snagged. Go find a photo of a disassembled M96 and compare.
Mark, I should have said IMS bearing. Is what you are saying is that the IMS bearing failure associated with the 996 NA M96, not an issue with the 996 TT, because there is no IMS bearing in the 996 TT to fail?
There is a downside to rising values. Several 993s (and I'm sure plenty of other air cooled 911s) have been stolen over the last couple of years. Their hot, whether for shipping off in a container overseas or for parts. There is a bit of a concern leaving it in a parking lot - will it be there when I come back?
Enjoy your 996s, if it's wrecked, totaled, etc., another one can be found after a short search. It may not be exactly like your previous one but you won't have to worry about someone outbidding you. No one will swoop in and purchase the car from under you while you're contemplating a PPI.
I love,
love
my 993 and 3.2 Carrera and don't plan on selling either one but the crazy market has taken a little bit of the enjoyment out of ownership. I know that may sound strange but I've heard other air cooled owners say the same thing. I don't particularly like owning a car that so many others covet, the thought of trying to replace one if something should happen is depressing (look at all the WTB ads), I don't even know if I'd try.
Compare the engines. They're wholly different. In the "Mezger" engine the intermediate shaft rides in plain bearings. The M96 problem can't exist.
I don't know how to explain it in a more elementary fashion.
