Women must learn how to drive !

Driving to my friend house peacefully ... like an angle, smiling ... and here the story begin .. out of no where this lady comes from the back flashing her lights so that i giver her the lane to pass me but there was no change .. i was srounded by cars from all positions at the front a slow car on my right a car and her stuck in my car back (about 1 meter diffrence) and no giving me chance to do anything .. i oppenned the window and told her <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> but she kept flashing her lights and i got so mad .. i hit the brake a littile bit so she get scared and keep distance between her car and mine .. but that didnt help she got mad .. passed me from the right and wanted to scare me by turning on me ... and the result was <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/78456180.jpeg" alt=" - " /> .. you know people .. i didnt realize that my poor babe was hit ! you know when you get shocked so bad ... and the story continues .. she hitted me .. passed me and ran away !! .. that .. <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> i chased her like a crazy guy who have no feelings .. no sense .. she didnt want to even pull over .. her car is a 2002 S320 white .. so to me it didnt seem she is a kind of people who will run away .. i was runing on her car trying to pull her to the road side but i couldnt i didnt want to hit her again .. am not driving a hummer .. its my littile porscha <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" /> ... so i almost followed her for 20 kms driving madly between cars at speed ranging from 180-235 km/h .. full accelerator full brake .. at the end i couldnt do anything i took her plate number when back to where the accident happend called the police ... and here the investigation started i was seriously mad that time .. i couldve commited a crime but thank god i was able to calm down ....

Continue &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; anyhow here the silly story starts they called her and she said that i was trying to follow her to flirt around .. but that couldnt help her because i already reported what happend to the police and later on the evning she came to the police station ... and God she's there ... she's cute .. 25 years old ... Doctor...... she said that she didnt know she hitted me ... and i dont blam her after i saw her car .. littile scratch on the body and on her 18 inch rims .. i was even able to clean it with a tissue and water ! .. by car .. poor babe <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/8865746.jpeg" alt=" - " /> Serously damaged rim Body hit .. and Bumber <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/45931875.jpeg" alt=" - " /> now what shall i do ... am fine .. thanks god everybody is fine ... except my car where her insurnace will hold pay everything .. and all parts will be changed (still didnt fight with insurance yet but soon) but something really funny when i remember .. if i see myself doing what happend in the second my car got hit .. i would Roll down laughing at that second .. i Screamed like a Bit!@# !! verrryyy loud . and i had a pure devil look .. funnyyy Anyhow people ... i would you to escuse my language and escuse me for talking alot but i thought it would be nice to share this story with you . <img border="0" alt="[king]" title="" src="graemlins/r.gif" />

Khalid.... Before women learn how to drive, man must accomplish the easy things like peace in the world and a cure for cancer. Then we can tackle teaching women how to drive.

I would have forced the police to pursue felony hit and run criminal charges.

Sean, Not all countries have that law on the books. At the end of the day it's not just women that you have to look out for. It's everyone. Drivers today are more agressive towards each other and drive in the most unsafe manners. This is being reported from countries everywhere.

I drive 250 mile per day and to entertain myself I've started keeping up with bad drivers, tail gaters, etc. etc. The results: Women are mostly totally unaware idiots. Men, yep, mostly the same. black females most inconsiderate and hard headed; white teenage females most dangerous tailgaters and cuttin in on you; white males with nascar stickers, most unaware or arragant...can't tell which, but they have fast middle finger. mom's in mini-vans...take away all of their licenses. seems that the cheaper and lower powered the car (smaller tires) the crazier they drive... when i see a female coming, i thank God my wife can really drive a mean 6 speed and is aware.

Aaaaaahhhh... but you forgot the worst of them all. The oriental woman or actually any person from the continent of Asia is by far the most dangerous, oblivious, worst driver on the planet!!! That's what happens when you ride a bike or ricksha back home and then you try to drive a car here!

Let me add to the rant. There are certain "right of way" driving conventions practiced for a hundred years. They keep traffic flowing and allow drivers to make certain assumptions (drive in England to appreciate how much we all depend on them). What gets my goat, is when you take your right of way and a waiting woman considers you "mean" or "ungentlemanly" for doing it. Furthermore, the person (usually a woman) who stops on a thru street to allow the driver sitting at the stop sign to go across... this because she wants to show how nice she is. I supect that all women were born blondes....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Hamann7: <strong>Aaaaaahhhh... but you forgot the worst of them all. The oriental woman or actually any person from the continent of Asia is by far the most dangerous, oblivious, worst driver on the planet!!! That's what happens when you ride a bike or ricksha back home and then you try to drive a car here!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Have you ever been to asia? Because of proximity and road congestion, bikes are very popular and they are cheap to run and maintain. However, traveling to the more "industrialized" countries like Japan, Korea and Hong Kong, you will find many cars. In fact, too many for the amount of roads available. Driving there is a daily battle of nerves and the only way to get anywhere is to be the most aggressive. Horn hocking is an everyday courtesy tap and not something done in anger. Drivers also do not pay much attention to horns being honked. I live in the LA area and agree that there are many poor asian drivers but I also see poor drivers of every race.

Khalid, That sucks about your car and hope it all gets sorted out. However, I think the title should say, "This particular women needs to learn how to drive". Many women, my wife included, are very conscientious and competent drivers. She is equally competent driving my C4S as she is her Navigator.

This may be the only behaviour that pretty much everyone but a teenage black male has been blamed for. <img border="0" alt="[ouch]" title="" src="graemlins/c.gif" /> Just a curios observation, and no i'm not african-american.

Yes, I have been to Asia. Too many damn cars and all incompetent drivers who are overly aggressive. Not too many years ago, however, they were riding bikes or donkeys. I should know, because my parents are from there. Well, the "stereotypical" teenage black male around here is usually cruising down the street flossing his 22" spinner wheels while bumping bass. They don't usually do too much of the crazy **** on the road. Then again, you don't see a proliferation of black race car drivers either. I'm not being racist, just expressing my observations. There are obviously exceptions to every generalization. But generalizations make a fun discussion. BTW, women are completely oblivious on the road. I see far more chicks blocking the #1 lane and refusing to move over than guys.

In California 99% of the people behind the wheel are bad drivers. The reasons are people are simply selfish, inconsiderate and really never learnt how to control a motor vehicle. People also tend to drive bigger (SUV) or safer (Volvo) cars in way of compensation for their incredible lack of driver talent. California driving habits: Pulling out into traffic and not even bothering to get up to speed. Pulling U-turns across all lanes - I usually see women pulling this stunt. Driving 30mph down a canyon pass with a 45mph limit. Never using those 3 major mirrors, except for vanity. Driving with pets in their lap. At a stop sign, taking the others driver's act of actually stopping as an invitation for them not to stop... etc, etc...

How about arrogant white male Porsche drivers that drive too fast for the conditions or insist on racing on public roads? Or are talking on their cell phones while they drive or pass on the right in heavy traffic or... All ethnic and cultural groups (arbitrary as those groupings may be) have members who drive badly. It is dangerous and small-minded to generalize group characteristics based on individuals' actions. I was seriously considering becoming a Rennlist member; this post has me now thinking otherwise.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by gs: All ethnic and cultural groups (arbitrary as those groupings may be) have members who drive badly. It is dangerous and small-minded to generalize group characteristics based on individuals' actions. I was seriously considering becoming a Rennlist member; this post has me now thinking otherwise.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Couldn't have said it any better. Don't let a few posts deter you from supporting this fine site. There will be squabbles, arguments, disagreements, etc but you will always receive a knowledgeable answer to your P-car (and most non P-car) questions.

Great. This topic degenerated from mindlessly sexist to racist.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by ScottMellor: <strong>Great. This topic degenerated from mindlessly sexist to racist.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yup I agree, this is pathetic! What is this a game of who can be the biggest bigot? Khalid, sorry to say this, but you made your own bed when you "got so mad" at the lights flashing. And you really asked for trouble when you "flashed" your brakes. You got the trouble you asked for ... deal with it. Believe me I'm not above this behavior, but at least I admit that it's childish and don't ask for undeserved sympathy.

Well I'm still pretty new to this forum but have been on rennlist in one way or another for a number of years and just about every forum/ list has similar kinds of dumb outburst every now and then so it was just a question of time I guess. Mostly perfectly decent folks just saying stuff they really didn't intend to come out the way it appears to others. Best to just drop it and forget it I would say. May I suggest this is the last post on this particular thread. Colin

Khalid, Did you try to pick her up at the police station? Pretty 25 year old, she could have just totaled my car and I would still be going for the digits (and her insurance info). I'm really addicted!

I agree that it's just stupid people in general no particular type etc. I had this happen to me unfortunately I didn't get the plate however and it both infuriated and scared the hell out of me at the time, ( I was like 16). Hence the maximium punishment sought etc. I do agree however that the behavior is inappropriate and should face some criminal sanction to some extent.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Hamann7: <strong>Yes, I have been to Asia. Too many damn cars and all incompetent drivers who are overly aggressive. Not too many years ago, however, they were riding bikes or donkeys. I should know, because my parents are from there. Well, the "stereotypical" teenage black male around here is usually cruising down the street flossing his 22" spinner wheels while bumping bass. They don't usually do too much of the crazy **** on the road. Then again, you don't see a proliferation of black race car drivers either. I'm not being racist, just expressing my observations. There are obviously exceptions to every generalization. But generalizations make a fun discussion. BTW, women are completely oblivious on the road. I see far more chicks blocking the #1 lane and refusing to move over than guys.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Hamann7, how old are you? Not too many years ago they were riding bikes or donkeys? That has to be one of the most ignnorant statements that I have seen on this board since it started. It dissappoints me that I see you have posted a number of times already on Rennlist, which would indicate that you should know about the etiquette on this board. How about leaving the play ground talk to the play ground.

What's with all the politically correct liberals on this board? The biggest problem with society today is that no one has a fricking sense of humor anymore. Harold, obviously, you haven't seen pictures of Korea before the Korean War. The modern industrialization of eastern asia has happened mostly in the last 40 years. That's not a long time. You remind me of the kids in college that join these Asian Student Union groups to claim that they are being oppressed by Abercrombie and Fitch or the Gap because they don't have asian models or a proliferation of Asian sales clerks. HELLO!!! WHO REALLY CARES!!! Asians are the top earning minority in the U.S. and some of the wealthiest people on earth, so get over it already. Or join that idiot Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition. I'm oriental, so I make no apologies for making fun of my own race. If you don't find humor in some of the crazy **** that us gooks do, then you obviously have no sense of humor. Minorities need to stop blaming racism and stereotyping for all their problems. Really, the whole world is not against you. People are often stereotyped because they present themselves as a quintessential example of that stereotype. When given enough samples of experience of a given group, the natural human inclination is to form a general conclusion. Yes, this is how humans make decisions and judgments. Oh and by the way, even if Koreans were riding bikes, horses, and donkeys, unlike Singapore at least Korea doesn't publicly cane people. They just send them to prison and if you're rich enough, you just buy your way out. Democracy at its best. BTW, none of this changes the fact that the best drivers in the world are European men. Look at the Formula 1, WRC, or any other international race car series. Much of this has to do with training.

gs, i have simply taken a poll. it's nothing racist or opinionated...just facts as i've paid attention. sure, generalizations are pathetic, but the fact that every single person over the past several weeks that has put my life in danger were young females has nothing to do with bigotry or sexism.

pete01_996 , i was trying to solve the situation by flashing my brake lights ... i was behind a car for about 6 meters .. doing 60-70 km/h and she is behind me for about one meter or less !!!!!! so if the guy in front of me hits the brake she will 98% hit my cars back (engine) .. so i flashed my brakes light so she keeps distance .. we are in a country where people must respect others and its not a place where they can do trouble and get away with it . and at the end she is a women she shouldnt do the kidish stuff .. sticking her car to my cars back . --------- Am not mad now, am fine although i did not take the car to the repair yet fixing will cost around $700 maximum but because the insurance is paying i will repalce all parts Fender + Bumber + rim .. which will all cost around $1,800 honestly people, when i drive my car fast everybody gives way and no one gets in my way and when i drive slowly everybody wants me to give them way and thats alot of pain. so why bother .. from today no more driving slow.

I was really hoping that this post was going away, but since it keeps coming back to the top I'll add my $0.02...&lt;rant mode turned ON&gt; Hamann7, There is a HUGE difference between SELF-deprecating humor and doing it at the expense of another. Blasting out negative barbs to 1000's of people you don't know and who don't know you is, simply put, bad manners. Had you said "I'm Asian and i think my mom is a lousy driver", you would have been more credible in your humor and it would be taken as such. Do you really want to make a negative impression on people that don't even know you? Your last post attempted an apology but really came off as a defensive explanation. Be accountable to yourself and try understanding the impact of your post instead of dismissing the responses you got as political correctness. And IF you're now saying "I don't care what people think of what I'm saying cause I'm entitled to my own opinion and it's true anyway" then the members of this board will just have to deal with knowing a little bit more about you. And for the record, while I have no recollection <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> , I'm reasonably sure that at least once I've unwittingly left some distracted Asian mom (maybe trying to drive 5 screaming kids back from soccer practice) cursing about that a$$hole driving that Porsche too quickly. I'm guessing alot of heads are nodding. The P-car is by nature a personal egotistical experience particularly when driven hard. But it is not a license to drive in a selfish disrespectful unsafe way. &lt;ok rant mode OFF&gt; Khalid, while I'm pretty sure we have some significantly different views on society & politics, it has no bearing here. This board is just about cars. I'm sorry to see the pictures of your wounded Porsche, and I hope that you fix it better than new and are soon back on those fast fun and I hope safe roads. Regards.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Hamann7: BTW, none of this changes the fact that the best drivers in the world are European men. Look at the Formula 1, WRC, or any other international race car series. Much of this has to do with training.[/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I am also "Asian" and did not get your humor. BTW, your "fact" has more to do with access than training. Europeans have long had access to racing, race cars, training, etc. They are further along than other countries/races. Look at basketball in the 60's, baseball in the 70's and football in the 70's. Mostly caucasians then, not so now.

Yeah, but still not many asians in Major League Baseball, NBA, or NFL. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> No country in Asia has a rigorous mandatory driving school like they do in Germany, for example. Actually, hardly any country does. BTW, no one said Americans are good drivers... they can only bank left!

Just drive in Germany or Austria to see how bad we drive here in the US! German tourists must go mad when they come over...

Yep, Europeans think driving in the States, especially California and Florida and New York, is hazardous. And you know what, it is! BTW, I wonder what Saudi Arabia's accident rates are compared to the States. I have a feeling that it's lower per capita.

My wife is German and we go back quite often, but have lived in the US for the last 25 years. My wife would always say that Germans were such good drivers. However in recent years (and just a few weeks ago when we were over there) she now just says they are foolish and stupid. I know how rigorous it is to get a driving license in Germany, but once they get it they quite often drive like fools, (and I'm not talking about on the Autobahn). Just imagine some twisty narrow country roads with loads of blind spots and some mad man trying to overtake you; it's German driving machine meets German tractor! Having said that, I live in Florida and I think we take the prize for bad drivers. Also note the further you head south in Florida the worse it gets. Loads of "snow caps" down there piloting big Caddies.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Hamann7: <strong>Yeah, but still not many asians in Major League Baseball, NBA, or NFL. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> No country in Asia has a rigorous mandatory driving school like they do in Germany, for example. Actually, hardly any country does. BTW, no one said Americans are good drivers... they can only bank left!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Come on now, with Yao Ming with the Houston Rockets, Ichiro with the Mariners and that Nguyen with the Cowboys, it's only a matter of time! <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />