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I've found out the hard way (not on the 996 thankfully) months or years down the road that I got screwed by someone that didn't do things right and ultimately did more damage than they repaired (broken clips, stripped bolts, etc..)
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In the last year I've ditched my Indy that I'd been using for ~15 years as they are charging almost dealer level labor rates, but all their good techs have left and been replaced by guys that don't even understand that the 996 has two different width wheels or that PS1s are directional (I'm not joking).
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I use shops very infrequently so I wanted to get some opinions on this before approaching them about it.
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Often there is a significant time reduction from the book rate, since two or more repair items may have significantly overlapping labor efforts.
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Most shops use a book rate for particular repairs.
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I've found out the hard way (not on the 996 thankfully) months or years down the road that I got screwed by someone that didn't do things right and ultimately did more damage than they repaired (broken clips, stripped bolts, etc..)
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In the last year I've ditched my Indy that I'd been using for ~15 years as they are charging almost dealer level labor rates, but all their good techs have left and been replaced by guys that don't even understand that the 996 has two different width wheels or that PS1s are directional (I'm not joking).
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Recently had some work done by a great independent shop. I was there the entire time and watched the process. Actual time was 1.5hours. However the estimated time (I guess this comes from Porsche?) was 3 hours.
Its hard to find a local place thats trustworthy (diligence wise) and dont want to cause conflict, but being charged double the time is not sitting right.
I use shops very infrequently so I wanted to get some opinions on this before approaching them about it. Is this somehow a normal/accepted practice or just simple overcharging ?
My understanding (correct me if im wrong) is that they go by the book time, and if they happen to finish it before that time, its a bonus to themselves; just the same as if it took longer then the loss is on them because they cant work on another car yet. The question is shop rate per hour at the indy vs the dealer- thats where it makes the world of difference. Then after a while once you've establish a relationship with your mechanic, then they will forgo the 'estimated shop time' and give you thier own personal opinion, which happens to be less time than the book estimates. Everyone wins; they have a returning customer time after time, and you get a 'deal' compared to other places.
Hope that helped?
Most shops use a book rate for particular repairs. These estimate is based on a proficient mechanic doing the repair. A real good mechanic can do it faster. This is how the shop can make more money. Shops money makers are parts not the labor, So if they can make more on the labor having a fast mechanic all the better. If they charged the real time it takes, what if you get the slower mechanic working on your car? You could pay more. Using the book rate is to your advantage. Well most of the time. :-)
That is standard practice. If they always do this they should be able to give you an exact total cost before you bring your car in & make your decision based on the quote.
Thanks for the quick response all. I feel better knowing your opinions and it does make sense that a baseline is used.
I'm just used to doing my own work and was having trouble understanding it from a strictly numbers point of view.
The work done was a drivers side wheel bearing in case anyone was wondering. The noise intrusion difference is profound, like driving a Lexus comparatively
You just have to watch out for the "fast" mechanic being fast because he isn't doing things the correct way. I've found out the hard way (not on the 996 thankfully) months or years down the road that I got screwed by someone that didn't do things right and ultimately did more damage than they repaired (broken clips, stripped bolts, etc..)
In the last year I've ditched my Indy that I'd been using for ~15 years as they are charging almost dealer level labor rates, but all their good techs have left and been replaced by guys that don't even understand that the 996 has two different width wheels or that PS1s are directional (I'm not joking).
Often I have been able to negotiate a discount. For example, they may be adding together two different items, which each have their own book rate. However, that would be assuming that they were done separately (at different times). Often there is a significant time reduction from the book rate, since two or more repair items may have significantly overlapping labor efforts.
Not exactly a 'fair' practice, but definitely the standard.
I always feel like saying (but usually don't):
"So your charging me for five 'book' hours at $150/hr, and paying the mechanic $35/hr for the three hours it actually takes him to do it?"
When the giant "this direction" arrow is backwards, the "front" tires stick out an inch from the fenders, and the "rear" tires are tucked an extra inch I would hope a little common sense might kick in even if they aren't hardcore wheel/tire guys. Anyone that can't figure that much out when changing tires really shouldn't be calling themselves a mechanic and certainly isn't someone I want looking at my car (much less touching it) for more complicated work.
Most of the techs in the shops are "flat rate" techs that get paid their rate for the hours paid by the customer. It's good that their proficient, just make sure no corners are cut as others have mentioned.
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