24 captured repliesDiscussion pagination complete · Source accounts, not a confirmed diagnosis
THIS DISCUSSION / SOURCE-DERIVED OVERVIEW
Discussion summary
YOUR RESEARCHBuying 996 from dealer, PPI????
Leading reported evidence
Use (about a 20 minute drive)
Performed · outcome unconfirmed
No successful repair reported for this finding.
0
Reported fixes
0
Unsuccessful attempts
1
Discussions
Read evidence and context
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that performed work without a confirmed outcome
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Performed · outcome unconfirmed
Not only did they not mind an offsite PPI, the sales guy took it to the independent Porsche specialist I use (about a 20 minute drive).
Leading evidence: 'Use (about a 20 minute drive)' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, the most frequently mentioned possible cause is 'ppi' (1 discussions; 0 report identifying it and 1 suggest it). The most frequently discussed action is 'Clean carfax' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.
Source reports, not a diagnosis or a success probability. Counts refer to discussions and can overlap.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that performed work without a confirmed outcome
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that suspect a cause
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suspected cause · Original poster
Bottom line is I guess I don't understand what the dealers issue is with the PPI.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that contain suggestions
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion · Original poster
It is a single owner car with 25k on it and all service records and clean carfax.
Explicit resolution reports before identified causes, performed actions and suggestions. Within each level, matching component labels precede direct query mentions and inherited thread context; successful versus unsuccessful discussion counts, owner confirmations and independent discussion support determine order. This is not a probability of success.
Discussions that contain suggestions
1
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion · Original poster
At the end of the day the car has a super clean carfax, is a one owner car with 24k miles.
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion
Again back at the starting point if you have found no reason to reject the car and have a DME printout of the engine run time and over revs and engine run time and mileage jive and there are no scary over rev numbers buy the car on the precondition a tech will remove the oil filter housing and oil filter and let you examine the contents and replace with a new filter and top up the oil.
0 original-poster resolution reports. Counts can overlap; they are not unique people or a success rate.
0 discussions have direct query context; 0 report a fix in that context. Other evidence may inherit the discussion’s subject.
Suggestion
Again back at the starting point if you have found no reason to reject the car and have a DME printout of the engine run time and over revs and engine run time and mileage jive and there are no scary over rev numbers buy the car on the precondition a tech will remove the oil filter housing and oil filter and let you examine the contents and replace with a new filter and top up the oil.
Counts describe captured discussions, not unique people or a diagnosis. Author identities are not reliably stored. Exact duplicate evidence is counted once across matching discussions; one discussion counts at most once per action/state. Multiple repairs reported together remain a combination. Suggestions and failed attempts do not establish a fix. Matches cover whole discussions and can include related faults, model variants and incomplete threads.
24 eligible posts · 0 unverified posts · 1 discussions match the subject in their title or opening post.
Rennlist: 1 discussions
0 evidence records excluded for query context · 0 excluded by outcome qualification · 0 adjusted by outcome qualification.
0 acknowledgements have no verified action link; they do not establish a repair result.
Generation: 20261027T020439Z · outcome-qualification-6. Deterministic extraction; no AI model inference. How we use sources
Negotiations are over and I am purchasing a 996 from a Connecticut dealer. They are against me taking the car off the premises. It is a single owner car with 25k on it and all service records and clean carfax. Any suggestions on how to protect myself? I am very qualified to do the body and paint inspection and already drove the car and all feels and sounds right. I will be doing the IMS bearing as soon as I take possession of the car. I thought maybe going and driving the car for 15 or so miles then have the dealer do an oil change and cut open the filter in front of me for inspection. Any other suggestions in lieu of having the PPI. I would be willing to pay someone to go to Porsche but not sure who if anyone local to Danbury would do that.
If they won't let you take it for a PPI my inclination is they are hiding something. Does it come with a warranty? If not, insist on one. If they won't give you a warranty and won't allow a PPI, what does that tell you?
It comes with a 60 day 3,000 mile warranty so my thought is have it gone throuvh before my shop dismantles for the ims bearing change. If something pops up bring it back for repairs under the 60 day warranty period. I dont think they ars hiding anything, this is not the first dealer that didnt want to let a car of the premises.
Won't let you take it off the premises? Have one of their people drive it to the shop that will do the PPI.
Funny, but I can't remember the last time the Dealer didn't insist I take the car home for the night.
I will find that out when I go on Tuesday what is covered under the warranty period. I am still going to request they allow the PPI and see where that goes. For some reason I do not think they are hiding anything but ya never know I guess.
The dealer is a bit balky because the car goes off its lot on its insurance and to someplace that may not be as qualified to "work" on these cars. If the PPI say strips a spark plug in doing some goofy compression test or causes a spark plug tube leak or knocks a coil loose, scratches the car, pokes a hole in the seat covering, etc., the dealer not only loses a sale but then has to put the car right again.
What do you expect to get from the PPI that you have not already provided yourself?
The car sounds like a real nice find. One owner. Low miles. Service records. So far you have found nothing amiss and you claim a proficiency in checking out cars.
The only thing you have not done is driven the car.
My advice is to visit the car cold listen to the engine at cold start and as it warms up. Walk around the car and look at the car but listen to the engine.
Let the salesman take you on a test drive. The route could be 15 miles long and allow the driver to demo the car in a variety of scenarios.
Back at the starting point then you take the car out and drive it over the same route the same way.
Again back at the starting point if you have found no reason to reject the car and have a DME printout of the engine run time and over revs and engine run time and mileage jive and there are no scary over rev numbers buy the car on the precondition a tech will remove the oil filter housing and oil filter and let you examine the contents and replace with a new filter and top up the oil.
I bought my 996 from a Porsche/Audi dealer here in Northern Jersey. Not only did they not mind an offsite PPI, the sales guy took it to the independent Porsche specialist I use (about a 20 minute drive). When the PPI was completed a couple of days later (the Porsche specialist staff was at the track for most of that week), he went up and picked it up for me. All I had to do was read the PPI report and pay the bill.
Hey Mark, Glad you finally found a 996 you like. What year?
When I bought my 996, at first the dealer balked too. But I told him that if it passed PPI, I would commit to buy it. I found a Porsche shop near the dealership and arranged the PPI, but the dealer had one of his employees take the car to the shop. I had the shop email me the PPI results and I discussed the inspection with the shop. The car came with a 30 or 60 day warranty (I forgot which), but I think it only covered drive train parts at 50% or some such relatively useless coverage.
When I got the Cayman, the dealer (a different place) let me take it myself to my mechanic.
Neither dealer would let me take the car home overnight (like Gonzo911 mentioned). When I bought my Lexus, the dealership just about insisted that I take the car home for the weekend before I bought it.
So, every place is different. It doesn't necessarily mean they are hiding anything. Still, I would insist on a PPI or I would walk.
Macster, I always appreciate your advice, but from prior posts, you seem to have a great relationship with your dealer's service department staff.
My local dealer, well, I wouldn't trust them to rotate the air in my tires!
I always think an independent PPI is called for. Service records show what has been done, the PPI shows what has been done and what NEEDS to be done. A simple test drive never tells the whole story.
Sounds like the OP is sold on the car. I am sure all will be fine. Enjoy your Porsche!
Besides the last paragraph, diregard the rest. Get a PPI by another shop. These cars are expensive, a lot of repairs can be hidden than a normal walk around won't show. Get a mechanic to look at and then a body expert.
The relationship I have with the dealer I have my cars serviced at doesn't really apply here.
I bought a used Turbo (with a CPO) with no PPI from another dealer. Not for any reason other than this dealer had a car I wanted.
Unlike the OP though I felt quite comfortable with my ability to evaluate the car and didn't feel a PPI was warranted. I have to add my check out of the car was done over several days (after hours) with my laying on the ground next to the car with a flashlight and a mirror on a stick looking at various areas for signs of trouble or other issues.
There have been enough reports of a PPI missing something so a PPI does not remove all the risk from a car purchase.
If the OP believes a PPI is a must and if he can't get the seller to agree to the car passing a PPI as pre-condition to his purchasing the car then the OP has to either give up on the PPI or give up on the car.
PPI should be like condoms.
No glove no love.
If the dealers got nothing to hide a PPI should be no trouble whatsoever.
Anything goes wrong with a 996 and the repairs are expensive.
This thread is not about what you did or what happened to you. Just because you, I and a few others have the ability to inspect a car themselves, doesn't mean they should do it. If someone is already asking if they should do a PPI, they obviously lack the ability or confiedence to do it.
Okay let me the OP chime in here. First some background, I have a background in cars, body, paint & mechanical. I have done restorations, been maintaining my own cars since I was 16 and for the last 15 years been a re-inspector for a large insurance company. I have no worries about my ability to evaluate the body and paint. And if this was an american or asian car I would not even worry about the mechanics.
This particular car I started from a cold start, listened to it warm up, drove it for a few miles and then listened to it idle for the next 5 minutes. I see or hear nothing unusual. My concern I guess is just not being familiar with them enough and maybe overlooking something. I read on hear a lot about PPI's, not sure if many people on here are not mechanically inclined or know what to look for and that is why or if these cars more than others require it.
Bottom line is I guess I don't understand what the dealers issue is with the PPI. The salesman told me they would have no problem with someone coming in and looking at the car in their service department. That just doesn't make sense to me and know that most shops wouldn't want to assume the liability of someone else inside their shop. So not sure what to make of all of it. At the end of the day the car has a super clean carfax, is a one owner car with 24k miles. There is no bodywork or paint so I really have no reason to be suspicious other then them not allowing the offsite PPI.
Mark, have you read this "checklist" for a DIY PPI?
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...immermann.html
P.S. Dealer will likely disallow some of the steps
Did you ask the dealer the reasons for its objection to you having the PPI done off site?
Actually the fact the dealer is willing to allow someone to come into its shop to inspect the car considering the liability -- though this someone is probably an experienced auto mechanic and one assumes knows his way around a shop -- strongly suggests to me it is the car leaving their shop/facility that bothers the dealer, not the PPI proper.
I think you are making a bigger issue out of the dealer refusing to allow the car to go off site for a PPI than it is.
However, you are buying the car and if you want a PPI and are not allowed to have one in the traditional sense -- being able to have the car taken to another facility -- then I see two choices. Either make do with what you know about the car or move on to another car from another dealer that will allow you to have a PPI done.
