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YOUR RESEARCH996 C4S IMS Bearing Replacement
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I've read every article I can find, and still can't figure out whether the issue is significant for a 2003 C2 996.
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I would call around and see if you can get a better deal from someone else or adjust the price accordingly.
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If you cant do the job yourself, check with RAC (Hanz Hoffmann).
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If someone finds two cars that are identical but for the fact that one had its IMSB replaced by a reputable Porsche mechanic with an LNE bearing, I can see a buyer opting for the car with the new bearing.
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The people who replace IMS bearings for a living aren't blameless.
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If someone finds two cars that are identical but for the fact that one had its IMSB replaced by a reputable Porsche mechanic with an LNE bearing, I can see a buyer opting for the car with the new bearing.
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This has probably been hashed out here many times over, but I was curious, does anyone have a good suggestion in the Dallas/Fort Worth area to have this done?
My C4S just hit 41,000 miles and I called a reputable place and was quoted $4500.00. Holy smokes! Is that about right?
Geez, that wouldn't be too bad if I was keeping the car but I have it up for sale.
Thanks.
Mil
That does seem high from what I've seen, not sure of the exact number but thought it was around the 2k mark depending on where you lived, I'm sure some other member's will chime in though. I would call around and see if you can get a better deal from someone else or adjust the price accordingly.
That is a very high price for an IMS refit.
Hard to imagine your asking price being compromised by nearly $5,000... If someone is determined to use the IMS as a bargaining strategy, I'd simply offer them $1,500 off the price.
If they are overly worried about the IMS you should steer them towards Toyota ownership.
You can thank many 996 owners for the IMSB hysteria and nose dive sell pricing, some of which is true. Some of the members here are the biggest offenders. If you cant do the job yourself, check with RAC (Hanz Hoffmann).
http://www.racperformance.com
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3236 Skylane Drive
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If you want to tackle the job yourself, its a fairly easy DIY for @$200 in parts, if you can resist the temptation to replace everything else along the way.
Bah, most people still have no clue about IMSB failure and even among those who do my guess is that you should write off whatever you spend on an IMSB replacement as a loss.
Maybe I'm alone but I look at an IMSB replacement like finishing your basement (rather than renovating your kitchen). Sure, it enhances your home but if you put $100K into it don't expect to increase the value of your home commensurately...or much at all. Do it for YOU not for the next owner.
Buying a used car includes too many other intangibles: How far away is it? Does the owner have all of the maintenance receipts? Did they do the work themselves or allow a certified Porsche mechanic do the work? Is it the right color? Does it have the right options? How many miles are on it? What kind of condition is it in? Was it tracked regularly? Blah, blah, blah.
If someone finds two cars that are identical but for the fact that one had its IMSB replaced by a reputable Porsche mechanic with an LNE bearing, I can see a buyer opting for the car with the new bearing. Absent that, the other intangibles are too influential (in my opinion). If I really want a 40th anniversary car, or one with a specific Porsche body kit, or navigation, or one that is "speed yellow" or whatever and I finally found that car after a long, careful search, am I really going to walk away from my unicorn just because it doesn't have a new IMSB? No. Would I try to use it as a negotiation tactic to lower the price and HOPE the seller even knows what IMSB failure is? Sure. And, if the seller doesn't budge and the price is otherwise reasonable...then what? Wait for a 2nd unicorn and hope it has a new IMSB or go with the 1st unicorn and do the IMSB myself? An IMSB replacement generally runs around $2-3K from what I've seen on these forums. If I found the car I wanted and an IMSB replacement was a must-have for me then I'd bank on that expenditure. That's just me.
As a seller I wouldn't cut $2-3K off of the sales price of my car just because it didn't have its IMSB replaced. Anyone who thinks the value of the 996 has all of a sudden nose dived because of IMSB fear needs to get out more. Knowledge of the problem has been around for nearly a decade and whatever toll it took on pricing, if any, occurred in the past.
My $.02,
-Eric
Your selling price should not be compromised to any great extent for this. If not DIYing the bearing yourself, then sell as is. There is a buyer out there that will recognize the value of your 996 and agree to a deal with you, I'm certain.
Mark/Pelican Parts
The people who replace IMS bearings for a living aren't blameless. The first my wife had ever heard of "IMS" was while talking to the guy who did the PPI. Suddenly I can't touch my car until the bearing is replaced.
where did you go? I don't think RAC is the place to go to get a deal (my opinion only)
I went to Mayo performance once (I do all my work myself generally) and they seemed like good guys with good knowledge
http://mayoperformance.com/
Personally, I would just DIY. Its no harder than an oil change. Just takes longer.
Mark/Pelican Parts, what did you guys think about my alternative IMSB kits, stroker kits, HP kits, etc. to add to yours?
This has nothing to do with your skills as a mechanic but generally speaking I'd more quickly buy a car with an original IMSB than one that was swapped out in someone's garage. Maybe I'm alone on this but as a buyer I place a premium on the car that has a service history with someone certified by Porsche.
Just my $.02,
-Eric
Some people quote 2-3k. Is that just for the LN IMS or for the full Monty with rms clutch kit and aos? I got a quote for 3k including rms clutch and aos. How does that sound?
Thats a good price!
I had my clutch and IMS done at Chris's Car Care in Grapevine.
$2400 out the door.
Wish I'd done the AOS at the same time tho...
BTW that's the IMS they took out on my Avatar. Bearing was perfect no play.
Just did my clutch, IMS and RMS done. $3k out the door. I would not have done it if I was selling the car tomorrow. I do think more buyers will be IMS-aware if the class action suit moves forward. Ignore Krazy K. I agree with Eric that I would trust a certified Porsche Mechanic over a DIY'r. As we speak KK is measuring the Frunk just to see if his engine will fit.
yeah the AOS is really only 2 screws and a couple of hose once you're in there.
I have dropped my trans several times and never did RMS or IMS. Not leaking.
By the way I like your user name!
That price is WAY too high! I just had the IMSB upgrade done, but that's because I plan to keep the car as long as possible, and it makes me sleep better. I've read every article I can find, and still can't figure out whether the issue is significant for a 2003 C2 996. But, I feel good about doing it, for myself.
That being said, I would NEVER in a million years do the IMSB upgrade for a car I am planning to sell. And, certainly not for the outrageous price of $4500.
Hey Gonzo, just keep ignoring me. Some dont recognize good ideas and some do. How ironic you may see my ideas being sold on Pelican. In other words In your face! (kidding you)
Isn't there a chance of something breaking off during the removal IIRC? If a shop breaks it they are usually better prepared to deal with that. I saw a number of $2600 here recently, FWIW.
Why would you want someone as a mechanic who was "certified by Porsche"? Just how much has Porsche invested in internals engine rebuilding training for its dealer mechanics? It wasn't but a few years ago that they weren't allowing dealers to even go inside the engines, the only thing they offered was a engine swap out. Then some independent mechanics figured out that there wasn't a big secret and they learned by trial and error.
I'd rather have a mechanic who had hundreds of engines worth of experience than one who had been "certified" last week. (When I had to have a cancer dealt with, I looked for a doctor who had 10k patients worth of experience, others were offering the same treatment after a weekend seminar.) Investigate the guy's reputation and assure it is the guy and not some other/new employee who will do the work.
You're reading too far into the comment. I wouldn't necessarily go to the guy who got his "certification" yesterday but if I'm a buyer I sure as hell wouldn't put my faith in the shade tree mechanic who has only wrenched on one Porsche...the car they're trying to sell me. You may luck out but I guess I'm not into that kind of gambling. That said, if all of the seller's receipts were from Jiffy Lube and the local guy who wrenches on everything for $20/hr I'd probably skip the car entirely.
-Eric
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