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I totally forgot to mention this, the oem bilsteins are rebuildable for a fairly reasonable price, only thing that kept me from doin it was the turn around time
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I bought the car new in 2004 and have put 140,000 miles on her, I'm running the factory shocks.
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Solution I used dropped my car using H&R euro sport springs to give it a decent stance then got adjustable camber plates to get the specific alignment I want with my ride height change.
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inspect your ball joints for signs of wear, leaking or noise and do those.
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well - for your driving and miles I would just replace the shocks with "stock" whatever is close and be done with it - no reason to do a bunch of fiddle F'n around with used parts being rebuilt and retrofit -
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If you've never and will never track I would just suggest replacing shocks get new ones, dont bother with used GT3 setups, they are used, probably harder than yours, prob wont get half the life out of them.
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Solution I used dropped my car using H&R euro sport springs to give it a decent stance then got adjustable camber plates to get the specific alignment I want with my ride height change.
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I totally forgot to mention this, the oem bilsteins are rebuildable for a fairly reasonable price, only thing that kept me from doin it was the turn around time
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After 140,000 miles the C4S needs new, well, stuff.
After looking at the PSS10's I'm not all that fond of dropping over $3,000 without installation for that system.
In reality what parts do I need to replace??
Thanks,
Rob
Rob, why not look for a take off set of 996 GT3 shocks and springs? Ive seen several for about $1000 and it's an excellent upgrade if you do any sort of track driving. It may be a bit stiff for everyday driving though.
https://rennlist.com/forums/parts-ma...coilovers.html
Take a look.
This is a set that was sold to a buddy of mine....the will be more!
https://rennlist.com/forums/for-sale...-and-more.html
What have you replaced already? I would not necessarily suggest getting coil overs before doing some other stuff first. Chances are you dont need springs as those never really wear out, could probably get away with just doing shocks. depending on what is showing signs of wear maybe look at doing shock mounts and bearings, maybe upgrade to adjustable camber plates. Droplinks and sway bar bushings are always pretty bad for going early and making noise, and control arms so you get ball joints and control arm bushings.
I would start with the simple stuff and work your way up. Do droplinks and sway bar bushings, will prob set you back a few hundred and can make a decent chuck of a difference. inspect your ball joints for signs of wear, leaking or noise and do those. You can prob get those done for $600 or so. after doing those I would think about what you want from your car, how hard do you drive your car? Do you track it? What climate do you live in? How often do you drive your car?
If you drive hard and track it a bit I highly recommend looking at the KW Variant 3 I have put them in my STI, both M3's, a couple of 240's, my civic, and a couple type r's they are awesome.
The only reason I have not thought about putting them in my car is because I daily drive my car, my fiance drives in my car, and I have a car seat in the back seat. I would have no problems daily driving them myself, but the others would. Also if you get snow etc the maintenance on coilovers can be a biatch when I had them in other vehicles I would either not drive them in winer or replace it for winter use. I kept my STI slammed for a winter and it killed them.
Solution I used dropped my car using H&R euro sport springs to give it a decent stance then got adjustable camber plates to get the specific alignment I want with my ride height change. this way I got the look, and most of the performance I wanted while keeping my comfort decent, and ease of maintenance
I haven't replaced anything. I bought the car new in 2004 and have put 140,000 miles on her, I'm running the factory shocks. She's never been on the track and never will be.
I think I would just replace the shocks first, unless the mechanic sees something ugly.
If you've never and will never track I would just suggest replacing shocks get new ones, dont bother with used GT3 setups, they are used, probably harder than yours, prob wont get half the life out of them. Get OEM Bilstein shocks, if you want low get some springs and call it a day.
What makes you think it is suspension time besides the fact your car has 140k miles on it?
The GT3 ones are rebuildable...don't know about the stock 996 ones but you may want to call Bilstein or Sachs (depending on what they are) to see if you can rebuild them. I did mine for like $800 shipped.
This is just an opportunity in disguise. A 140,000 mile DD is just going to nickel and dime you to death. Go get the GTS and be done with it for another 9 years and 140,000 miles. You're welcome!
I totally forgot to mention this, the oem bilsteins are rebuildable for a fairly reasonable price, only thing that kept me from doin it was the turn around time
Hey Riad,
got a C4S myself at 101K kms, i've had to do shocks (did bilstein sports with stock springs=horrible so i just sprang on KW V3s)
i would suggest having a mechanic take a good look at your bushings, i've had to replace a few.
if the dampers are still doing well, perhaps just a refresh of the bushings would make a big difference.
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raid, just get a new set of bilstiens right for your car
are you planning the install or shop - if shop I doubt you can do better than $2k - just sayin
well - for your driving and miles I would just replace the shocks with "stock" whatever is close and be done with it - no reason to do a bunch of fiddle F'n around with used parts being rebuilt and retrofit -
Tie rod ends, bushings and such will generally wear much faster than the struts, dampeners and springs. The normal wear items will make the suspension sloppy, noisy, loose feeling and worn out.
Just replacing the struts and springs may make very little difference. It's the costliest thing but not necessarily what's causing what you are complaining about.
You need an honest tech to pinpoint what needs to be addressed or get the car in the air and start looking. Often just a couple of relatively inexpensive things are causing the majority of the problems.
I do this stuff for a living and see it all day long.
I would be curious to hear a shopping list of things to replace at 140k miles in terms of suspensions.
I also believe bushing an other links are the main cause of loose feeling. Strangely I have never seen anybody on this forum tackling the problem. Certainly because the parts are costly to replace on term of labor.
last time my tech found out that he could not align my car propertly because one on my rear toe link bushing was literally broken in half. The piece of metal in the center of the bushing was cracked.
I did not even notice it while driving but those things add up to sloppy feeling. My tech confirmed it, 'on those 10+year cars, all bushing are just dead of old age'
I'd say at minimum anything with rubber on it.
- all chassis bushings - part# ?
- all metal links with bushings (toe link, steering link, lower and upper control arms)
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Hi Chris R.,
Did you have Bilsteins? If so, who did you call? I have searched google and can't find a number to call so that I can send my stock 996 suspension for rebuilding. Can you send me the contact info for Bilsteins
Thanks, much appreciated
It always makes me chuckle when you mention that you manned up and bought the car brand new, then proceeded to put 140k miles on it over the next few years. If you're happy with the car, I'd have them replace any rubber or plastic bits and the shocks (with OEM or normal shocks) and call it a day.
Are you still daily driving this thing? How many miles do you think you will keep her?
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