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YOUR RESEARCH$1400 to replace waterpump!?
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I had a new pump, gasket and thermostat installed plus new Porsche coolant put in the car.
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Replace plugs, tubes, and connectors, did a gut rehab
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It was my first major DIY repair on the car and I learned how to put it on jackstands, learned my way around the engine, used the savings to buy some better tools (you guys have heard the .."it's not what I spent, it's what I saved" defense), larger floor jack, pneumatics, etc., and since have changed the plugs, tubes, and connectors, did a gut rehab on the front suspension and will be doing the rear brakes myself later.
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Picking my car up today after having the waterpump replaced, a LNE low temp thermostat installed, and a tire valve stem replaced - total cost out the door is $1332.86.
Replace water pump, one hose, thermostat and t'stat housing (easier
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Parts were about $450 +/- but I changed the water pump, one hose, thermostat and t'stat housing (easier that way, Tstats go bad in Florida...$58 total), gaskets, serp belt, tensioner pulley which was starting to make noise since I was in there.
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I am just curious because I had mine swapped while my IMS was being done just for the heck of it while everything was opened up.
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It was my first major DIY repair on the car and I learned how to put it on jackstands, learned my way around the engine, used the savings to buy some better tools (you guys have heard the .."it's not what I spent, it's what I saved" defense), larger floor jack, pneumatics, etc., and since have changed the plugs, tubes, and connectors, did a gut rehab on the front suspension and will be doing the rear brakes myself later.
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Water pump died on the way to work yesterday. Had it towed to dealer and he quotes $1400 to replace. Part is $270 at Suncoast so $1100 labor seems excessive to me.
I'll probably end up doing it myself but I'm curious: Anyone had their pump replaced and how much did it cost?
Thanks...
I had that done, + rollers, rad cap, coolant, belt and WYAAI, plugs and coil packs.
I pick it up today. The bill is higher than yours, however I am not unhappy. My indy is in MA so there is no benefit in discussing the exact price (edit, but as I break it down, the water pump bits were a deal compared to your quote). FWIW, I have found the dealership prices to be consistently higher than my Indy. (edit and I trust my indy.......... stealership, not so much).
These cars are expensive to get fixed, even more so if you have to go to a dealership for service.
Different dealer (North Houston) quoted me $560 labor plus parts. More reasonable.
The dealer I had it towed to wanted $433 just for the pump and gasket, $88 for the thermostat, and $38 for a gallon of coolant. Their prices are 60% higher than Suncoast. And that's just the parts. Their labor, same job mind you, is 1.6 times the other dealer's charge.
It's a pain in a$$ to do it yourself but it'll only cost you less than $300 in parts to replace the pump, thermostat, and coolant.
I just did this about a month ago and the worst part is removing the hoses. If you have a tool to do that or an easy way it actually isn't that bad.
+1 I wasn't a fan of pulling the hoses and trying to keep the coolant out of my mouth and off the floor but, other than that (and the 1 bolt on the pump that is hard to get to) it wasn't too bad. Of course bleeding the system of air bubbles sucks too.
The dealers have their fixed mark up structure... Suncoast (while a dealer) online parts is a separate business group from the dealership and is structured such that they can offer lower pricing.
If you are comfortable doing the work yourself I would encourage that you attempt it. I regularly have the owners, that are willing, assist me on repairs for their cars. It provides them a better understanding of their cars and in turn improves the comfort the have when small regular maintenance items need tackling.
Dive in and enjoy the one on one time with your P-Car.
Thought I wanted to be a mechanic when I was younger. Took auto shop in high school and then worked at an Oldsmobile dealership long enough to realize I didn't want to do that for a living the rest of my life. So, the "better understanding" and "one on one time" doesn't hold too much alure for me anymore.
I'll do it myself, but I don't want to...
Doing it for a living is one thing... Understanding your car is another. I went to school to be a Physicists then into Engineering... But, still I find that working around the Motorsports world much more enjoyable then designing/building Fighter Planes....
I made a huge mess with the coolant because unlike an oil change it just comes out of everywhere. I still have a stain on my garage floor from the disaster. Need to scrub that one of these days...
I'm far from a mechanic myself but my father is one. It takes me twice as long to do anything compared to a lot of guys on here but I feel some pride afterwards because it was a challenge for me and at the end of the day I save some cash.
Sure it may consume my whole weekend but if I wasn't doing that I would have been stuck doing housework anyway.
I paid < $900 parts and labor to do this earlier in the year. I had a new pump, gasket and thermostat installed plus new Porsche coolant put in the car. This was at my indie but my dealer also quoted me in the low $900 range for the same job. I found out the dealer quote after the indie had the car fixed as, had I known this, I would have taken it to them instead because the price was similar.
I plan to proactively have my water pump replaced next month, along with a coolant flush and serpt. belt. I figue after 7 driving seasons and 50,000 miles this is cheap insurance. But, does the thermostat need to be done too? Thanks.
Do the replacement water pumps come the way they were made (plastic impellers?) or have they made the part more robust?
I am just curious because I had mine swapped while my IMS was being done just for the heck of it while everything was opened up.
My pump failed and wobbled in the process which caused the pulley to shave the belt....but you really should change the belt anyway. If you do it yourself you have to factor the cost of towing it back to your house in the economics plus whatever the dealer may charge for diagnostics.
I did mine myself based on a DIY I found either here or on Pelican (ingore the gasket sealer part). I offer the following:
Parts were about $450 +/- but I changed the water pump, one hose, thermostat and t'stat housing (easier that way, Tstats go bad in Florida...$58 total), gaskets, serp belt, tensioner pulley which was starting to make noise since I was in there. No out of the ordinary tools needed.
Wear gloves
Due to the fact that the failed bearing allowed wobble I'm glad the pump impeller was plastic and I'm glad the new one is too otherwise I'm sure I would be missing some metal on the housing casting. I flushed and got a few small pcs out
I bought the coolant, hose, and coolant drain plug washer at the dealer and surprisingly, they gave me an on the spot discount which equaled online pricing and consulted one of the techs for me on the coolant mix and volume
I bought an airlift to vac out the system before refill. Not necessary but worked really well ($99) and I've since used it for two other vehicles.
It wasnt so much that I saved money from the dealer, which was signficant, but I enjoyed every minute of it. It was my first major DIY repair on the car and I learned how to put it on jackstands, learned my way around the engine, used the savings to buy some better tools (you guys have heard the .."it's not what I spent, it's what I saved" defense), larger floor jack, pneumatics, etc., and since have changed the plugs, tubes, and connectors, did a gut rehab on the front suspension and will be doing the rear brakes myself later. The savings, and justifiable tool purchases, are cumalative.
Nothing wrong with the dealer though if you go that route, you'll get a good job done right in my experience.
*As my new water pump and control arm sits (for the 3rd weekend a row) in the garage to be installed* I'm realizing I'm getting tired of doing this stuff. Maybe it's the heat.
http://www.brandsmartusa.com/Product...ia-Appliances/
For the garage......easily justified with labor savings from waterpump and control arm replacement.
You can use the 997 water pump. The impeller's durability was improved. Or you can use a billet impeller from LN engineering. However, water pumps should be changed as preventative maintenance if your car still has its original. The blades will break eventually and could cause damage to the cooling system. There are many older threads on this forum debating the replacement.
When I replaced mine during a rebuild 2 fins were chipped.
I have one, after 3 years I've come to realize standard window units produce better results since they don't have to waste half the advertise BTU's to expel the hot air. I'm waiting on window units to go on sale as I type.
Hey all,
When I look up the part number for the 996 water pump, I get p/n 996 106 011 53
I found one that *should* fit at 996, but the P/N is
996 106 101
Anyone know what is different? Will this fit a 996?
Thanks!
When I picked up my car at EPE today, Jerry showed me all the parts he removed (as has been his standard practice for the 20 years I have done business with him, every single part, down to the gaskets). He calls it"the tour".
He had recommended I have him replace the rollers. There are 3. Two of them had a definite "grainey" feel to them as I spun them on their bearings. They were a cheap wyait......
I note people talk about burping and checking the coolant level after the water pump is replaced. I highly recommend that be done several times. Jerry's guys did it after a heat cycle. After I drove it 100 miles, the low coolant level indicator light came on. It took 20 ounces more. Not leaking a drop, lot of air gets trapped in that puppy!
Oh yeah, stock water pump still has a plastic impeller. And it is AMAZING how loose that ***** can get without leaking!!!!!!!!
No matter what you do ensure that any and ALL broken pieces of impeller are located before putting the car back into service. Not doing this is a pretty good way to cost yourself several thousand dollars later.
Match the broken pieces that are found with the pieces missing from the impeller. Most of these end up in the cross flow console on the 4/6 bank of the engine and can require partial disassembly to remove them.
Most every terminally ill 996 or Boxster that we see that has arrived due to an intermix issue has a fresh water pump on it and was installed after the prior pump failed and has been installed by someone that doesn't think about the negative issues related to foreign object debris floating around in the cooling system.
See the August 2012 edition of Excellence Magazine in the Tech Forum section for a full article on the reasons why this is a big deal. I contributed the pics and some other info for that article and its spot on accurate.
Is it more likely that the failed pumps caused severe over heating and that caused the intermix (cracked heads, etc), than a lodged impeller piece (localized hot spot)?
I had mine replaced in April of this year. Water pump, drive belt,check condition of idler, tension rollers, fill bleed cooling system, $562. My indie paid $360 for new pump.
02 C4 btw
I just had mine done at the Porsche dealer...........parts, fluid, and labor.....minus PCCA discount.......$907
Just to throw the numbers out there for what my dealer charged me. I knew it was going to be done right also. Used to go to an indy, had very bad luck with our BMW and Audi there. Dealer works great for me in my situation where I live.
My water pump went recently. Dealer invoice to replace it was just under $1200 (in FL they charge sales tax on the labour as well as parts). I paid nothing however. It was completely covered by my extended warranty...you know, the one certain buffoons insist is a scam that only stupid people would buy
$4600 for 6 years, bumper-to-bumper "exclusionary" not named-item (equivalent to Fedelity Platinum except with no 50,000-mile limit on items that fail from "normal wear"). So far it has reimbursed me $2600 and it still has another 4 1/2 years to go. Given the car is 7 years old now, I have no doubt it will at least break even and most likely more. Every extended warranty I've ever had has done that, sometimes double. So basically for zero net cost I will be covered until the car is 12 yrs old in case of a catastrophic failure like IMS or scored cylindre or such.
Same here,even NAC which covers my Mercedes don't write warranties for Porsche in Florida.
BTW I see a warranty not as what I can get out of it but as a insurance,I also don't hope that my house burns down because I pay a premium
Mine's an early MY05 but I bought the warranty 1,5 years ago, so, same difference I suppose. The dealer offered me a Fidelity Platinum at that time, so I'm surprised you couldn't get one on your '04 a year earlier. That said, you might not have wanted it, as the one they offered me was $8600
I ended up with a similar warranty called Tech Choice Ultra which cost "only" $4600.
Perhaps, assuming one's time is worth no more than a mechanic's hourly labour rate. I'm quite capable of sorting my own car, in fact I could design and machine the spares for it if necessary. But $4600 translates to roughly thirty minutes in an operating theatre, so it would be patently stupid of me to consider working on my own car from an economic standpoint. Not to mention the catastrophic risk should I happen to injure my hand(s) in the process.
Translated into Canadian, operating theatre=operating room. O.R. That room in a hospital (excuse me,
hotel dieu
) with the bright lights where surgery is done.
I see why you're confused. You see, unlike Canada and the UK with socialised healthcare, here in the US the hourly incomes of surgeons is
higher
than that of auto mechanics. At least for the time being.
Would it have killed you to say operating room right from the begining? Using an industry lingo and then talking down to someone that ask, what the hell it means, is low.
My pay per hour is more than mechanics too but that doesn't stop me from working on all my cars. There are plenty others that make a living with their hands turn a wrench in their free time. I wouldn't use that as an excuse. Just say its not your cup of tea and that's it.
Picking my car up today after having the waterpump replaced, a LNE low temp thermostat installed, and a tire valve stem replaced - total cost out the door is $1332.86. Ouch! Expensive peace of mind, but worth it.
My assumption was that everyone on this forum was intelligent enough to either know what operating theatre meant, or to google it if they didn't. What you're saying is that I should have "talked down" to you in the first place
Quite the contrary it is indeed my cup of tea, especially given a background in mechanical engineering. My reason for not doing so is entirely financial. I can earn more in an hour than what it would cost me to have a mechanic replace just about anything other than an engine. And then there's the risk of a career-ending injury to my hands.
Yeah sort of makes you wonder why he's even in the 996 forums in the first place. lol
With that kind of change, I'd be scouring the 991 forums all the time. And yes I do not subscribe to Warren Buffet's thinking of keeping around old cars because I'm an auto enthusiast and he's not.
Hmm... we just call it the "O.R.". An operating theater, as I remember, was the viewing deck at a teaching hospital for surgical interns. And no, not everybody is going to know that, but it hardly means they are any less intelligent if they don't.
Back on topic ... sorry for the interruption ...
I am considering purchasing a 996, this weekend, but palmbeacher is giving me pause. Presently I have a BMW 1989 635csi in absolute perfect condition. And there comes a certain bit of "snobbery" with owning a "nice" car, I get it. So let me translate what zman2002 said when he posted "DB", just in case your (palmbeacher) hands are too fragile to google, smart guy. DOUCHEBAG. YOU and your attitude are the reason that people cringe when well-to-do Americans walk into a room overseas. Consider selling me your car so you can go buy another (what you think) is an elitist car, and just leave...
I agree 100%. If I had it my way, there would be the latest and best 993 I could find next to a 991 in the garage. The reality for a lot of us(in this particular forum) is that the 996 model represents one of the best values and a very good starting point of entry into the Porsche world. I can't see anyone with a huge amount of liquid cash wanting a 996 as their first choice but I could be wrong....
Bonster...Your right, I apologize. Like I eluded to, I am picking up my first Porsche this weekend, I just hope I am not going to get treated like a palmbeacher when I ask what some may feel is a silly question...Again, please pardon my lack of politeness.
I actually love the 996s - I just wish they didn't have that pesky radiator and water pump thingee.
I like the modernized shape and the headlights. If this is your "starter car", I would say you are doing pretty good. My starter car was a Miata.
Aedolfan ... folks should treat you just fine as long as you do the same. And if you come across some who doesn't reciprocate that kindness, I would not waste your valuable time on them. Most Porsche people are actually pretty nice folks. But like any group, there will be snobs, too. I ignore them.
Two posts and the second is to insult. Off to a rollicking start I'd say. And I am not American, I merely live and practise here...legally I might add. People do not "cringe when well-to-do Americans walk into a room overseas". They cringe at Americans with the lack of breeding and absence of class such that they refer to others in terms of a vaginal cleansing apparatus.
Palmbeacher ... I deleted the duplicate (I am guessing there was a software glitch) and the guy apologized in the next post. Can we please get back on topic now?
Sir, you are not really endearing yourself to the community so I ask that you rethink your posts and the tone of them.
And to others, I ask that the name calling stop here and now so that no further action needs to be taken
My thanks to all.
Sorry, didn't mean to take any kind of tone. I merely stated a fact, that my reluctance to do my own mechanic work is based on financial concerns. One "gentleman" took it upon himself to basically call me a liar. I merely responded with more details...which I would never have done if not for his childish callout. Then he and others chose to let their envy get the better of them. For that I am sorry. I will not apologise for being expert at my chosen profession or that I am paid handsomely for that expertise, the years of schooling and practise that led me to this point, or the staggering responsibility I shoulder 24/7.
Maybe others do but, I don't care how much you make or what you do. I've asked you a simple question and your reply was anything but. This is a car forum, most here are gearherds and are not interested in what the other one does for a living. Also, I don't remember anyone asking if you are an expert in your profession or anything about your schooling for that matter. Seems to me, you've added this on your own as some sort of a back paddling technique. I only hope that you are nicer to your patience than you are to us.
If you're wheeled into the E.R. make
certain
to demand the doctor with the nicest, most humble attitude. Or just ask for a first-year resident, same thing. And a priest.
In due time all your complaints will be solved...according to the new healthcare law, at some point you'll be told that statistically you don't have enough QYOL (Quality Years Of Life) left to receive coverage for the medical procedure you need. So you can die happy knowing that your healthcare was much more affordable than it is today.
And perhaps you might even have saved enough to trade-up to a 997, which might cure some of the low self-esteem issues that seem rather rife on this forum.
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