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YOUR RESEARCHPrice check for first timer: 2000 Carrera 4
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Use dual row ims bearing
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By 2002 Porsche was using the small single row IMSB exclusively in the M96 - this is the bearing that experienced the most failures (around 8% according to the research used in the Class Action lawsuit brought against Porsche).** All 3.4L M96 engines built in 1998 thru Sometime in 2000 (M96-01, 02 & 04) used the dual row IMS bearing.
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It's recommended that if you get one of these, you remove the outward facing grease seal (if it hasn't been done already) so splashing oil can lubricate the bearing.
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It's recommended that if you get one of these, you remove the outward facing grease seal (if it hasn't been done already) so splashing oil can lubricate the bearing.
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I would recommend either a 1999 model, or skip to 2002 or newer.
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Not a HUGE deal, but will complicate replacing many parts that at 90k are likely needed.
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As a few have stated before, a proper ppi at a porsche specific shop is going to run $800-1000.
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It's recommended that if you get one of these, you remove the outward facing grease seal (if it hasn't been done already) so splashing oil can lubricate the bearing.
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By 2002 Porsche was using the small single row IMSB exclusively in the M96 - this is the bearing that experienced the most failures (around 8% according to the research used in the Class Action lawsuit brought against Porsche).** All 3.4L M96 engines built in 1998 thru Sometime in 2000 (M96-01, 02 & 04) used the dual row IMS bearing.
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Carfax shows 4 owners with current buyer having it since 2011, no accidents on file. Has his service records including the IMS upgrade was done under warranty at Rizza Porsche in Chicago area. I�m in California and would fly to test drive and do PPI. So want to make sure I don�t waste travel money.
Thoughts on condition and price ?
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/c...931620620.html
I don't think that's a bad price point to start negotiating and certainly a PPI can help in that regard. Only a few pictures so really hard to tell overall condition without two eyes on it in person. Seems like the owner drove it sparingly, the IMS has been addressed and has some valuable extras including original wheels. Also like that he has good rubber on the car, not an inexpensive replacement. I'm a sucker for black but that's my 2 cents....Good Luck!
Do you want a tip?
Do you want a black car?
Do you want AWD?
In short, is this your 'ideal' 996, or are you settling due to price? My 2 cents worth is get what you WANT, and if it's another $1000 or 2, so be it.
A black 996 sells every 23 seconds.
I am kind of close-ish, about a 30 minute drive away. I have a 2001 C2 manual in black. IMO the price is high for a private party, tiptronic with that many miles.
You aren't buying a Nissan Sentra. The questions are rhetorical, but you should answer them for yourself.
For me, it was a red/green/blue aero early year. I got what I wanted, and had a great time.
I agree and he is being resistant to make the time for PPI saying how busy he is and since it's not a $65k car it's just a lot of extra effort. Thumbs down.
No ppi, no deal. I drove a Tip in my search and it was as expected, unless you must have a tip, I would avoid, it is sluggish and uninspiring. A C4 drives a little different from a C2, adds weight, do you need awd (if this is a daily and will see winter weather or rain, may be a plus). "
A black 996 sells every 23 seconds" I disagree, in my 3 month search, silver was the predominate color.
I would recommend either a 1999 model, or skip to 2002 or newer. IMS bearing is a 4-6 year maintenance part (and more expensive to raplce in a tip), 99 had double row bearings, and 02 and newer have a few nice upgrades over 996.1.
Good luck.
Cannot agree more. PPI is more than just "car has a bad engine". Need brakes and can't do it your self, that's $2K for rotors, pads + someone else to do it. Will also set expectations that a PPI can find things that might not be negotiable such as 20% life left on tires. At the end of the day, it is a used car.
Tip has it's pro's and con's. I had a 2002 C4 Cab Tip. Great car, great for city driving, when maintained properly, they're a great transmission.
IF my car would had been a manual, I probably would have not sold it, so make sure that this is what you want and your not settling for "this is the only thing in the market at the moment that is in my budget".
Personally believe it car has IMS done, add @ $2K for maintenance / repairs. If IMS has NOT been done, add $4K (if tip, add @ $500 for IMS work, shops around me charged a little extra).
My 2 cents. Good Luck in the search.
While I think a ppi on a high end car is a good idea, this is less than 20K and after negotiation it will be in the 18K range. At that price, you roll the dice and go. A ppi is a hassle for both parties.
Buying an inexpensive 996 long distance is a crap shoot imo. There has to be lots of them in California?
As a few have stated before, a proper ppi at a porsche specific shop is going to run $800-1000. You could do it yourself lots cheaper but good luck finding a seller willing to let you. I wouldn't let a stranger touch my car. I 'might' do it with them watching if serious, but again it would be a hassle.
See if you can get them to video a stone cold start, running and fully warmed up, concentrating on lower motor areas. Watch those Raby videos.
Send them $ for a quart of oil, new filter and a 12 pack of good beer.. Have them video removing oil filter and cutting open. Do this after the above was done.
Good luck.
"There seems to be a good amount of 1999s for sale yet I read to not buy the first year model? The 2002 may be a good options. thx!"
Not exactly sure where you read ^^that^^, but according to one M96/996 "Guru" the early builds are the best ones... By 2002 Porsche was using the small single row IMSB exclusively in the M96 - this is the bearing that experienced the most failures (around 8% according to the research used in the Class Action lawsuit brought against Porsche).** All 3.4L M96 engines built in 1998 thru Sometime in 2000 (M96-01, 02 & 04) used the dual row IMS bearing. Keep reading, be careful what you believe and by all means have an intrusive PPI done BEFORE you exchange any $$$. Good Luck
Hey Jsol, welcome to the madness and wish you luck in finding your 996. A few things to help you along the way....
You're in California, I would focus your efforts on finding a car near you. That car in Chicago will have rust on the non-galvanized parts of the car underneath that any car near you would not have. Not a HUGE deal, but will complicate replacing many parts that at 90k are likely needed. Why go through the extra cost/hassle to obtain a car with issues that a car closer to you would not have?
True, that car is no longer a 65k car, but that logic won't fly at any parts desk.... it still costs the same to maintain. NO PPI, NO DEAL. Even if you got that car for $15k sans PPI, you could be looking at another $15k in work needed (if you don't wrench yourself), after which you'll have spent $30k on a $20k car w/ 90k on the clock. Provided all cars considered have been properly maintained, the sweat spot for miles in my book is the 50-65k mile mark. That way you know they've been driven, but many of the expensive wear items are good for a few years. At 90k miles, chances are it will need lots... ask me how i know
MOST IMPORTANTLY, before you buy, get out and drive a few. Tips are very different than manuals. awd are different from rwd. Color does matter, inside/out. Find what you like (by putting your hands/eyes on them) and then have fun finding it. I, like most, took well over a year to pull the trigger, and as such, I have no buyer's remorse. Good luck!
4+ years for my search, no joke. 2 years pretty casually and then 2 years seriously. Had to be white WITHOUT tan interior (that seems to be the common combo) and a convertible and those terms were non negotiable.
I was willing to go to any state in the country except Alaska and Hawaii and it still took that long for the right one. Take your time for sure, there are a lot of nice examples out there, and there are a lot of junk and the prices aren't that far from each other. People with the junk (or don't allow PPI) are looking for a sucker who pays top dollar because of the emblem on the front.
Best of luck!!
Now you're making sense. Get what you want, no matter. Unless you're dying of terminal cancer, and have 3 months to live, it'll be with you for enough time, that you don't want to settle on a 996.
I looked for about 20 months, all over the country, and amazingly found it about 40 miles from my home.
Thanks man, much appreciated. Its perfect for us. I did a stereo update and it completely makes the inside look 15 years newer, and more functional. I highly recommend. Also if you see the button I have a red arrow pointing to that is the garage door opener, I added that as well. Ive posted threads on how to do all this.
Im not one who particularly cares about color combos but I�d spend $ and get my �perfect� exterior color as a wrap before I�d wait a long time and pass up driving one. White wrap would look amazing vs whatever interior you want to match it with. Just my .02. Good luck with your search.
I read it here
https://www.excellence-mag.com/resources/buyers-guide
but the 1999 models seems to be plentiful and well priced so I like the open mind. Thanks for the tip on the bearing being worse later on.
I think in '04 they went to the large (not removable without splitting the crankcase) single row bearing which also has an extremely low failure rate. It's recommended that if you get one of these, you remove the outward facing grease seal (if it hasn't been done already) so splashing oil can lubricate the bearing.
** Excellence Magazine - Great the one non-turbo or GT3 996 that they show (under the 996 model heading) is Apollo 911 (Hoovie the Moron's cheapo 996 that he blew up on purpose...)
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