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Not to spoil the surprise as its in the title, but Hoovies LS swapped 996 had the same fate as the 3.4L on the same track.
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I bet he was quite the shark when he ran a used car dealership.
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They think they r made of gold and used 80k motors r 6k, hence the decision to build my own.
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I think all he used from Renegade was a parts kit.
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Not to spoil the surprise as its in the title, but Hoovies LS swapped 996 had the same fate as the 3.4L on the same track. He lost oil pressure, DROVE it to the pits, and was surprised when it locked up...again
Hoovie blows another motor in a 911
The ls3 is dry sumped from the factory on some models. There is no reason the ls2 could not have been retrofitted. Its a completely preventable failure. Sucks it happened but he should have learned about high g oiling after his first motor seized.
I just want to know something... when is this guy going to stop being the YouTube/AutoTrader "village idiot" and finally make a smart decision about a car? Look how much he flushed down the toilet making the V8 fit! I have no dog in this fight, but he should have hired Flat 6 Innovations to install a proper flat 6 engine. Raby would have built a performance engine that would run circles around any LS swap Porsche monstrosity.
Sure, he could do everything right, but then we wouldn't be talking about him or watching his YouTube channel. America prefers to make stupid people celebrities.
Sure, F6I would have built a better engine, but it would have likely cost more than the $17K LS swap.
It also would have taken longer and he would have missed out on viewers in the meantime.
He is the �village idiot� because it attracts viewers.
If he played it safe and normal, no one would watch.
He said he spent 17k on the swap, but he saved 1k by buying a junkyard LS2 over the internet. He rolled the dice on the engine and rolled snake eyes. It happens sometimes.
Always thought this guy was an idiot. Only watched when posted here. Now I won't anymore because he sold out to world of warships. Holy crap 9:43 and three commercials!
I refuse to make these idiots "wealthy". I used to enjoy some of these videos. However, once they started monetizing them they became more like episodes of Jackass.
When some of these self professed "car" guys express shock at classic car features like vent windows/wings, drum brakes or even non-synchronized first gears, etc. I realize they don't know **** about anything but newer cars.
i wish them luck in their endeavors. But, I'm not going to help them increase their views!
Don't forget the Rolls he recently bought.
I think he needs to go back to his roots and buy cheap versions of more common cars. There seems to be an arms race among these "car guy" YouTubers to get the most exotic car possible. Its just a matter of time before one of them buys the "world's cheapest Veyron".
Our bet is that this is fake news, and the engine didn�t even fail.. it�s fancy editing and poor acting to get views.
Either way, I�ll send this link to everyone who calls up and says �your engine takes too long to build, I�ll put an LS in it�😊
Our YouTube channel wont be anything like this... COMING SOON!
You people bring up good points. Personally, the guy is funny at times and I guess his followers like the idiot/clown persona. But this sucker paid what?... $9500 for the self proclaimed "Apollo 911" and then chooses to dump another $17,000 or more into making the LS work? It would be a nice change of pace if for once he chose the smart road instead of the idiot path of destruction. But, you people are right on, the smart road doesn't drum up YouTube followers I guess. This may explain why the freak show was so historically popular. Does make you wonder if some of these episodes are setup or fake as Flat 6 Innovations just asserted. The Apollo LS failure video didn't make me cry foul as much as the Ferrari fiasco. Oh my goodness. You people need to watch that one.
I�ve had a YouTube channel for the past five and a half years. While the topic isn�t cars, I�ve taken the �smart� road. My videos are very well done and cover lots of �how to � topics ranging from solar power to amateur radio. I have lots of videos with hundreds of thousands of views and a couple in the millions. It took me almost exactly five years to reach 100,000 subscribers. It gets you nowhere in this world. I get 12 subscribers for every hour of overall effort. While there are people who truly appreciate the effort and talent in my videos, I�d find myself having to make �top 10 lists� and other stunts just to pay the bills. The average person is a complete idiot.
It just goes to show that many engines have oil problems on the track. If you google the problem, 911s, Corvettes, BMWs, etc. Oil mods are usually one of the first things you should do to make a street car a good track car.
This is what happens when a YouTube star car clown gets behind the wheel of a powerful supercar. A mom and a daughter lost their lives because in this guy. Sad.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/us/yo...ash/index.html
I have time for Hoovie and enjoy his videos, sad about his 355 though. That could have hurt him or that vehiclevirgins guy - that would have been scary.
Wasn't a fan when he put in the LS1 but I still watched it.
I was glad when he put the LSx in it.
Now when someone tells me I should "drop" a Chevy V8 in my Porsche, I can tell them it has been done, and it costs as much as rebuilding the Porsche engine correctly.
...and that the stock LSx can't handle the G-force oil starvation that it sees in the Porsche on the track.
When it is time to rebuild mine, I'll consider increasing the displacement to add some HP.
I want to go to the Knowledge Gruppe class first so I can learn some of the secrets to these engines the easy way from the Raby/Navarro/Callas/Hoffman team.
I've learned engine secrets the hard way before...it's definitely not the fun way to learn.
Here's some info from Renegade Hybrids. This is the company that Hoovie used for his swap. They recommend an LS3 be used. Not really sure why he used a LS2. I find the swap pretty interesting. In their conversion they use an electric water pump and electric power steering pump. An LS3 and a 3.4 are very close to the same weight. 430HP -
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/996/LS-1.html
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I think all he used from Renegade was a parts kit. He had a "super mechanic" Vern or someone like that to do the install. The Renegade dudes appear to do it right, but
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would never spend the money for that because it wouldn't be a story. Used an engine from a scrap yard...nuff said.
Yep, that's right. He just ordered the conversion kit from them and had his mechanic do the install. I spoke with a guy at Renegade and he didn't seem too pleased with the video that Hoovie shot showing the "Wizard" installing the swap. He pointed out several things that were done incorrectly. I've been toying around with the swap idea for a while. I'm looking for a 99 or 2000 roller. I bet it would be a great driver. We'll see.
Renegade only has themselves to blame for the bad press of Hoovie installing their kit incorrectly.
They don't include any instructions besides how to wire up the tach! Which Hoovie still couldn't get to work because he used an LS2 instead of an LS3.
Their kit is overpriced for how much stuff is left to the owner to figure out how to make work. A lot of things have to be made from scratch even with their most expensive kit.
Renagade deff has the knowledge to make the swap easier. They have nice products too. Before i got the motor running on my roller i was talking with them about a swap. They recomend the ls3 because its design has several performance advantages over previous generations of ls motors. Also u can get gm performance engines with with warrente. The ls swap isnt for everyone and its not about weight, but power to weight. It will deff change the characteristics of the car ands its drivability.
im still gonna do the swap but now i have time to build the motor i want. Its gonna be a 500hp that spins to 8k and it will be at the top end so it keeps some of the driving characteristics. I should be in the 9-10k in brand new parts and although thats a lot its no where near a reliable 500hp flat 6. Bottom line is speed costs money and not everyone spends it the same way.
^^ A 30k Raby car would probably also have more residual value as well. Now, not quite as much power, but it�s close enough, that on the track, I doubt there would be much of a gap. The LS motor, I believe, has a higher center of gravity than a flat6, and with the right exhaust, the flat6 has enough of a grumble that it still sounds great.
Now if the LS swap were closer to $15k, and if it were more complete, I would be more interested for a street car version.
The total swap for my car will be in the 15k range because im doing all the work myself and it will be a street car. Im not looking for back end value as my car would have none even with a raby engine. So, for me its just going to be a fun project car that will keep up with my buddies ls6 miata.
The smartest decision would be to send it to Jake and have him build a monster.
But that would take a lot of waiting.
People are impatient so they go other routes.
The route I plan to take is to learn from Jake (by attending Knowledge Gruppe classes) and eventually rebuild mine myself.
If my plan changes, I’ll pick up a beater to drive for a while and modify my plan slightly.
I could probably rebuild mine now since I’ve built engines before, but I’d rather learn the secrets and do it correctly the first time.
These are not cheap engines to rebuild.
Going back in a second time needs to be avoided!
I totally understand people who want to keep a Porsche ALL Porsche. I also get why some people will choose other routes. If I chose to go the swap route, I would probably look for a wrecked Vette and pull the LS3 for a swap. I would also do the work myself like De Jeeper is going to do. Porsche labor rates are astronomical. I should be able to save mucho dinero by doing it myself.
Hey DeJeeper, are you going to use a Renegade kit for your conversion?
At least some of it. I already have a porsche electric steering pump from a newer gt-3 and im gonna run the factory ls water pump. The electric water pumps dont flow enough. The clutch and adapter are from kennedy. I dont need any of the accessory brackets either because they r all available from summit or jegs. I can make the mm plate and mounts but the renagades pieces r pretty nice and i doubt ill spend the time redesigning the wheel. The thing is, u can buy the parts ala-cart from renegade and their pricing is actually really good so buying their kit may even save money. I have already bought 2 csf rads from them and they beat everyone elses prices.
Bottom line is renagade makes a difficult swap easier so im sure i will take advantage of their knowledge.
ill start a build thread but that probably wont happen till early next year, maybe even later because as i said i was able to fix my roller motor so im gonna take my time.
also not sure if u have seen ls3 yard prices. They think they r made of gold and used 80k motors r 6k, hence the decision to build my own.
Yes, that's what I did back in 2010, went to Jake's 1st engine rebuild class, got back home & pulled my engine that had never given me any trouble other than insufficient low rpm torque. Now instead of a stream of non running rollers I only worry about someone totaling my car. If that happens I buy it back from Ins.co & transfer engine to the roller of my choise.
Im not sure i am that organised but ill try. Bottom line is im not really gonna care how much it costs once i get stared. When i shoot for a specific design perameter i achieve it even if i exceed the time and money estimate. Its the stuborn engineer in me.
i have hundreds of hours in a custom suspension and more money then i know tied up in jeep that takes me to places in this country that few will ever see. Just the way im wired.
Yeah, I keep thinking that if my car gets totaled, I pray it's not in the rear.
I'll pull my engine and stuff it into something else.
If I rebuild it to 3.8 or 4.0, I'll cry if it get hit from behind!
Hmm, looks like a small F-Body pan as opposed to the winged pan the Corvette uses. Not a surprise it had an oil related failure being used with high G-load cornering.
Indeed!!!
He made a comment in the video that because the engine was flipped around, maybe it didnt get the oiling it needed but with proper oil upgrades, I dont think it would be an issue.
Hoovie mentioned it had only ~20K miles and the new owner thinks that quote was WAY low.
I'm following along as this swap has always interested me. Doing the install yourself and buying a standalone engine management setup would make it a lot easier to wire up. The wiring aspect is the most intimidating to me.
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