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Was told that the soft top motor does not work, but problem was traced to a control box which the previous owner provided uninstalled.
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I will bet a bunch of the wonky electrical stuff is due to a bad ignition switch.
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Was told that the soft top motor does not work, but problem was traced to a control box which the previous owner provided uninstalled.
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Set of 4 Continental Super-Conti tires w/90% tread from used tire dealer: $360
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Then, because of the occasional rattle I'm looking around on ebay and I happen to see these green OEM rubber gaskets that come with the chain tensioner repair kit:
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I almost want to combine two technologies in the IMS repair, and use the roller bearing, but take a tap off the output of the full flow filter and run it into the outer IMS flange with a squirter right into the cage of the bearing.
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Hello Rennlist,
Long time Porsche fan here... My fascination with these cars started when I was living in Germany during my childhood. My father was in the Army (mom is German) and we lived there almost all of my formative childhood years. At one point during that time, Dad owned a rusted out '69 911T that he bought from my uncle in the late-70's (see my avatar). My uncle had several Porsches, including first owning my Dad's 911T, then a much nicer and faster '71 911 S, followed by an early 80's 911 SC. At some point he switched to BMW 5-series cars so he could drive around clients.
I spent four adult-age years living in Germany while in the Air Force and remember driving my '81 BMW 323i (e21 body) on the autobahn at max speeds quite regularly. One of the only cars that would regularly pass me without much apparent effort were 911's. And one such instance made a particularly lasting impression was when I was driving pedal to the metal and doing about 230kph (around 140mph) at dusk on an unusually empty stretch of road between Nuernberg and Frankfurt. My car got rocked as I got passed by a 911 Turbo as if I were standing still. In the failing light of dusk, I can still see the red-hot glow of that car's exhaust system disappearing ahead of me around a long gentle, uphill bend in the road as I looked down at my speedo in utter disbelief. My friend and I were both left dumbfounded at how fast that car flew by. That was sometime around 1989 or early 1990...
Now, fast forward 26 years after college, a post-college-partying-poverty phase, career life involving several moves, 13 years of marriage, a 7 year old son, and a long love affair with Acura V-6 engines...., I finally said enough is enough and had to take advantage of this seemingly depressed 996 market.
So, without further ado, here is my new (to me) toy:
It's a 2000 C2 with 93k miles. Bought from a truck dealer in Georgia. Car was very clean underneath, but no service history. Passed mechanical PPI by my mechanic, but needs some things sorted in terms of electronics.
The car runs and drives great and the paint is fantastic. I pretty much drove it a few days waiting for parts to arrive, and have now dropped it at the shop.
Right off the bat, I am having the following work done:
Vertex eternal IMSB fix (preventative)
Rear main seal (preventative)
Clutch
Oil change to Liqui-Moly
Front & rear rotors & pads, maybe 5-10k left, want new)
Ignition switch (hopefully will solve the following quirks)
- Central locking doesn't work
- Door lights stay on unless I leave key in ignition and on "0" (which leaves radio on)
- Radio won't turn off unless face is off
- Front widows sometimes roll down on their own (according to my wife)
The rear window regulators are bad on both sides. You can hear motor churning, but nothing happens. Replacements are en route.
I have been driving it with the hard top for now. Was told that the soft top motor does not work, but problem was traced to a control box which the previous owner provided uninstalled.
Driver's seat has two rips and shows some wear. I will either have the damaged panels replaced or get new Lseat covers installed.
In the absence of driving the car for the near future, I decided to post here so I can at least talk about it... I can't wait to get her back!
Thanks for all of the comments. Feeling very welcome here!
Mine is very very very black. When in the shade the reflections from the sky do make it look dark blue. A friend in the neighborhood has a 1999 cab and you can definitely tell the difference when they are side by side.
I would have liked blue, too... but with another in the hood I didn't want to be too much of a copy cat.
Looking forward to taking this car to some of the races at Sebring in the not too distant future.
I take back what I said about your beautiful blue car. But we both know it's applicable to your beautiful black car.
I stand by the Congrats, and know you'll Enjoy it no matter what I say, so there's that...
When I saw the black Bucs tag on the wall at the DMV it was a no-brainer.
My son loves riding in this car!
And I forgot to mention that it does make an unpleasant noise for a brief moment at cold startup... So while the IMSB/Clutch/RMS are being done, I am also having the chain tensioner replaced. There is so much good information in this forum!
The engine:
Evidence of recent suspension work, perhaps?
Congrats on the new ride!
Make sure your mechanic checks the variocam solenoid gaskets, looks like they are leaking a little. $15 part and easy to replace.
Hi, I'm Chip, aka dr cheap, and just bought a new to me 2003 996. I live in Decatur, Ga with a place in Cumming, GA. I am an Atlanta Motorsports Park member and take guests. AMP will even give us a free meet up room in their new Conference Center. I have raced karts since age 12 and still do, both vintage and modern, bought a 928 P car, then aFerrari for my 40th bday, amd now a P-CAR for my next bday. I alao have 2 Shelby replicas including a Factory Five Daytona. Let's meet up. Yours in thrift, dr cheap
When we were doing this.... We were happy not to find metal shavings, but we did find tiny little chunks of green rubber deep in the oil filter folds..
Then, because of the occasional rattle I'm looking around on ebay and I happen to see these green OEM rubber gaskets that come with the chain tensioner repair kit:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-996-...pXMD3I&vxp=mtr
That's the same color that came out of the oil and I'm starting to think we found the root of my rattle sounds... Adding this to the fix-list.
Whaddup, Down South!!! Yup, I'm a bit further down south (pun intended) in Tarpon Springs near Tampa.
I actually used to live in Pensacola after graduating from FSU. That was from 1994-1995. Loved it there, but the job I had messed with my pay more than I appreciated and I left. Sometimes I wish I would have stayed. It was great having such close proximity to Mobile AL, Biloxi and New Orleans.
A friend of mine from my early USAF days lives up in that area. He owns a 930 Turbo and a Lotus Espirit.
Do you ever make it down to the Tampa area?
That's about 45 minutes away. I live in Tarpon Springs. Tampa Bay is a fun area, and Ybor is known for it's night life. You should have a good time there! Just be mindful and careful if you go out in Ybor as there are a lot of punks up to no good there as well. I prefer the channelside area when I go to that part of town. It's not as big or lively as Ybor, but it's generally a more mature crowd. It all depends really on what kind of night life you're into.
Vertex "Eternal" (we'll see....)
Yeah Buddy!! Watch out for the Bucs this year. I've got Doug Martin and a couple of Cardinals (D.Johnson & C.Palmer) on my dynasty fantasy team. I will be rooting for Arizona a lot this season too.
That's what I remember you mentioned but if you google vertex bearing, you can't find one that looks the one in your photo (bottom right). Is this a relatively new design?
My mechanic found this solution for me after I told him I was car shopping for a 996. I think this kit has been available for little over a year. Mechanic has history using Vertex products.
Look at Fig.5 on this URL:
http://www.vertexauto.com/ShowItem/2...#ItemNotes1Div
I was interested in this bearing replacement, but I was a bit put off by the rather lame instructions. The grammar, and general style of the writing of the instructions is quite poor. Frex, there's a notation in there to poke a hole "1 to 3mm" in the thin metal shield in the IMS. Well - no offense, but is it 1mm, or 2mm, or 3mm? Or - if the hole calibration is not relative to the volume of oil pumped, why don't you say that, and advise to poke a 3mm hole? At some point, the V notch shaft will supply a volume of oil equal to what the hole in the small plate will allow to flow. Is 1mm too small? Is 3mm overly large?
Also, I noted that these seems like an elegant idea at first, upon reflection it's clear that this oil coming out of the pump is NOT filtered. The oil pump in any auto oil circuit is the only mechanical device that doesn't get filtered oil. Thus - you are shipping unfiltered oil to a bearing, with a history of failure due in part to contamination. Hmmmmm.
I almost want to combine two technologies in the IMS repair, and use the roller bearing, but take a tap off the output of the full flow filter and run it into the outer IMS flange with a squirter right into the cage of the bearing.
Anyway, not sure what I'm going to do about it, but as I have a double row, I'm not going to rush the deal.
I should have been clearer. If you look at your bearing, it has a big hex bolt hole on the center stud and that looks very different than Fig 5 of your link, which has a smooth stud and there's no hex bolt hole.
Wow! Good point! I did not notice that at all.
I purchased it via Amazon and it came directly from Vertex for $449. Haven't seen any more for sale on Amazon since. And it's in the engine now. The parts seemed impressively made and instilled sufficient confidence so I'm not horribly worried about it. But I will be pointing this out to my mechanic and ask him discuss with vertex customer service. Thanks a bunch for clarifying and pointing this out.
I'm happy.... Got these photos from my mechanic yesterday.
I am thinking these are pretty good results for a 16 year old engine with 94k on the clock!
Needless to say, I'm chompin' at the bits wanting to drive it. (said it anyway)
Not having the car has had me reading tons of info instead, which has added to the "to do" list along the way.
Things are coming together nicely. I should have the car back on Saturday. Waiting on final reassembly to be completed and for the LN spin-on oil filter adapter to arrive.
When it comes back, the list of new parts will include:
IMSB (Vertex Eternal)
RMS
AOS
Sachs Clutch
Timing Chain Tensioners
Timing Chain Tensioner guides
VarioCam cover seals
160 degree t-stat
Water Pump
Spark Plugs
Ignition switch
LN Oil Filter Spin-on adapter
Magnetic drain plug
Once I have the car back, I can install my replacement rear window regulators which arrived from Germany last week.
Final update... Car is sorted. Electrical issues previously mentioned were due to some serious corrosion found on the bottom of roughly 1/3rd of the immobilizer's circuit board.
The immobilizer is under the driver's seat and apparently got wet at some point in the past. Either due to rain in an open roof, or clogged drain holes preventing rain water from escaping fast enough...
The new immobilizer required programming and a new key, which I had done at the dealer. They also completed the finishing touches on my cabriolet top, identifying the drivers' side winglet as needing lubrication to work in sych with the passenger side.
The new remote works great, security system, door locks, interior lights & radio and everything I was having issues with is now sorted. Car seems reliable and runs like a bat out of hell.
I'm a happy man!
New seat leather has been ordered and all that remains now are some minor cosmetic issues.
Life is good!
The big question we all want to know is... What did it cost you for all of these repairs? Could you please itemize it for us. Thank you! Happy to hear your problem were resolved appropriately.
Parts delivered by me (IMSB kit/Clutch/AOS/water pump/thermostat): $1100
Mechanic Labor (he sourced RMS, tension pads, hoses, oil, coolant): $4k
Dealer experience: Immobilizer & keys & roof calibration: $980
Rear window Regulators (both) from German used parts dealer: $510
Leather on order: $325 (L-seat)
Set of 4 Continental Super-Conti tires w/90% tread from used tire dealer: $360
Previous owner scratched the bejeezus out of the clam shell trying to put the hard top on by himself, so I'm getting quotes to have that painted. So far it's looking like another $350-$400 for that...
The condition of the clamshell and non-working electronics did help me negotiate the price down quite a bit. Learned quite a bit throughout this experience.
Can't wait to put the new seat covers on!
$7275 to date huh? That's a big chunk of change. I hope you enjoy the car once it's all back together and on the road again. Thanks for the input to the forum. We really appreciate it!
The car is already back on the road, only the delivery and install of the seats and clamshell refurbish remain. I"m already well into enjoying the car!
Agreed that its a sizeable chunk of change. I elected to buy a heavily discounted car with a "good bones" engine/chassis/suspension and sort things at my pace and to my liking. Feeling good about starting out my Porsche experience with a new clutch, IMSB, RMS, AOS, T-Stat, water pump, chain tensioners and seats. The immobilizer (dealer) experience threw me a pretty good curve ball, but now that the electronics and soft top are sorted I feel pretty good about things. It's amazing what a difference it makes on your psyche when you press buttons and things actually work the way they are supposed to...
When the new leather seats are installed and the clamshell is tidy I'll be in automotive nirvana! LOL!
