Magnus walker's 911s burbles?!

Hello all! i get a kick out of watching and listenjng to magnus walker videos. Do any of you know how to get that burbling/metallic and raspy sounding exhuast sounds? I have a 996 c4s with pse and it sounds lovely but i have always wished it could be a tad louder and definitely more burbles. i asked before and was told sport cats? Is there any other options? I live in cali and emissions out here is no joke. thanks much! leon

Which car or cars are your referring to? Magnus's air-cooled Porsche's? Or a 996? Not sure how many 996 he has, but one is certainly a GT3. If you have the PSE exhaust you have a nice set up. I am awaiting my FisterD mufflers. Once installed on my '99 C2 I will be able to compare them to the PSE exhaust in my son's '99. I'll try to get good recordings of both in a side by side comparison to see if there is much difference.

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With 200cell sportscats it will burble. Also with an aftermarket silencer which is more 'noisy' then stock the chances are higher that a possible burble will be more audible. Had some nice pops with 200cell x-pipe and cargraphic silencers. Now back to stock cats with the cargraphics and still some pops there although much less.

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thank you very much for input. Curious, what type of cell cats do you have on yours? Did you do install yourself? Glad to hear you got more burbles and pops!

Installed last year the x-pipe form TopGear shop in Bridport UK. I believe there was a group buy arranged in here in the 996 and 997 forum at the beginning of the year Ask here for expeirences https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ll-x-pipe.html Here is mine: They are a nice piece of craftmanship and the sound the make from 4000rpm onward is incredible. However they also droned a lot between 2000-3000rpm. At such an extent that it drove me crazy and deaf So I went back to my old standard cross-over cats. Might be I will once upgrade to the 200-cell cross-over instead of the x-pipe.

Thank you very much! sounds like a set of 200 cel cats is the way to go. I will lookup on youtube for sound clips as well. any suggestions on brands that are great sounding but not as expensive as the fabspeed ones? also, i'm tossing around idea of selling/trading my c4s 996 for an older SC. am i making a mistake? just wanted to get into some different. I've had an older 996 previously too. thanks! leon

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Yes, sell it and buy the SC Clearly you are not satisfied with the 996...

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hehhe note and suggestion taken! Have you tried both 996 and sc? How would you compare the two? I do love the 996 pse sound and power.

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I'm looking at 3.0L SCs and 3.2L Carreras for a longer term plan, but it would be a big sacrifice to lose the capabilities of the 996. So I'm going to wait & study the market a bit. I'd rather add a Carrera than replace a modern car with a classic. 3.2L for putting around the valley & the 996 when I wanna feel like Tom Cruise in Top Gun.

Ditto, I've had two 996s now and have loved both of them. Only 911s I've owned and just really tempted to try out an air cooled and it seems like the SCs are the most affordable ones right now. I just hope there's one i can find tha'ts decent price and mainly sorted already. The 996 definitely has nice torque and power. I think it gets a bad rep and totally underrated.

I have a 3.2 and a 996. The 3.2 is a blast, but on longer drives I feel exhausted, no power steering, no abs, no heated seats, no air con. etc etc. It would depend on what you were going to do with it, for a weekend blast now and then the 3.2 is great fun and a smile generator. but as a more daily driver or long driving car the 996 is leaps and bounds ahead. it is also a lot faster. The 996 feels a lot more forgiving to me. One advantage of the 3.2 is you can put a magnus walker steering wheel on it.

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thanks for feedback. How about the engine and exhaust sounds between the two cars? I love the pse on my 996. How does the 3.2 exhaust compare to 996? Is it nice and loud? Ive seen videos and heard some in person where the scs are relatively quiet when in stock form. Wondering if id be disappointed in the exhaust sounds in an sc. anyhow its been tough trying to sell/trade my 2004 c4s. Thought c4s had a better rep but maybe not. Ive priced it fairly but just no takers yet.

the 3.2 standard isn't very loud with the standard exhaust. depending on climate you will want to change it for a system with out the heat exchanger. Pretty sure magnus would have a fairly aggressive system on his. I would strongly suggest taking one for a drive, the SC has around 100hp less than the c4s. it makes a difference. The SC will probably feel faster due to no driving aids, and road noise etc. I ve noticed on road trips with the club, the older air cooled just cant keep up unless driven very loose and with a lot more skill. so I normally take the 996 so at least I am only 20 mins behind the newer guys for lunch. A magnus/singer type sc or even standard will get a lot of waves/looks. that is probably the biggest advantage, or and the tyres are a lot cheaper. the actually maintenance isn't a lot difference.

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Thank you again for all the great info!! I appreciate it. Love how most people on this site are so friendly. i have heard the rawness and manual steering feels nice on an sc and gives you a more connected feel. At same time i do love havjng that nice torque of my 996 and also love the pse so its a toss up for me currently. Fact i am havjng tough time selling the c4s and considering how expensive scs have gotten it might not be best move for me noe that ive gotten more info. Its funny though because all the air cooled die hards often mention the engine noise but it seems to me on stock form they are fairly quiet. thanks again!

Aside from historical value compared to driving a 996 you will be disappointed with an SC, especially for street driving. (If you note in my signature I owned and drove an '82 SC for 14 years).

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thank you Nick! That is really helpful. I would have to sell my c4s and then add money on top to get into an sc with double the mileage of my car. The more i talk to previous owners and current owners it just doesnt seem like a good trade. And yes its strictly for backroads street driving where the extra hp and torque is nice in the c4s. thanks again gents! appreciate it leon now should i go and install some 200 cell cats?!

Something to think about Leon is the animal spirits behind the rise of SC/911 pricing. In reaction to a new era of much larger, gt-car focused Carreras (997.2, 991) and thanks to some clever marketing in Southern California, air-cooled ownership has become a social event just as much as a driving endeavor. The rising prices meant I couldn't buy the 911 I wanted - an '81 Targa - and had to 'settle' for a 996.2 C2. In retrospect, the market did me a favor. I never intended to buy a new era 911, but here I am. As the SC market cools off I may dip my toes in, but it won't be at the expense of selling my 996 C2. It's too smooth a driver, too comfortable on trips across the desert & simply too much fun around town and in the twisties. The 966 era is the last of true driver's cars that lack electronic aids to manage the growingly absurd levels of power. Watching a few videos on the Carrera GT last night reminded me of this. In my clearly biased mind, to get the performance and fun-factor of a 996 in an old car, you need either turbos or in depth engine work. It can be done, but not for the modest price point I can gather. The grass isn't always greener - just focus on extracting the most smiles out of the 911 you own. Save some for an opportunity in the SC market long term. Whatever you do, don't cheat yourself by selling a 996 at the market low point for an SC near market highs. A little patience and you'll make out just fine.

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There is good reason that the 996 was so widely praised when it was released. Very simply, it's an all around "better" (the numbers don't lie) car than all the 911's that preceded it. The well published M96 engine problems have obviously tarnished the resale values and collect-ability in the ensuing years, but these issue don't diminish the abilities/drive-ability of the car. It's really just the air-cooled purists trying to retain the value of cars that many of them payed crazy money for. Nostalgia is often more powerful than reality...

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I agree, I owned a 1988 Carrera 3.2 targa for 2 years and although I do regret selling it, part of that is nostalgia and of course the crazy appreciation. When I started driving 996's with a view to buying mine, I was pleasantly surprised how old school 911 it felt, it had most of the driving experience of the older cars but with refinement to go with it, and just the right amount of updates without being a rolling technology center. Power steering but not the numb electric systems of more modern cars, ABS brakes, airbags (I drive the family in it), decent interior without looking gimmicky and being plastered with buttons. Although I do like the newer 911's, they are so complex with loads of tech in them that will date, they seem to bloat bigger and bigger each year, massive rims that ride horrid on the crappy roads here, engines that are very complicated (have you seen how much plastic the 991.2 engine has in it? plastic sump!!), very expensive price tags and lots of depreciation. Although I accept the m96 is the potential headache of owning a 996, if you get a good one these cars give the best smile per $ around

HI again Tony Two Bags! Excellent feedback. I can't agree with you more and it's nice to see on here similar Pcar enthusiasts that aren't totally loaded and have the ability to just purchase whatever Pcar they like. Nothing against that but I do respect people like yourself that may not have a surplus of funds to splurge but have such an intense love for the cars that you will find a way to get into a Pcar. That's exactly the boat i'm in. I was priced out of the air cooled cars and doing my research I just felt that the 996 c4s i got into last year was the best value. Recently I had contemplated getting my feet wet as well in an SC but it really meant that I'd be paying several K on top for a somewhat sorted high mileage one that would still need to be upgraded and modified in order for me to enjoy it. Initially I had this incorrect notion that air cooled cars had a "cooler" sound to the engine and exhaust. All this talk from the air cooled fans about how nothing beats that fan noise and mechanical noises. The more i watched videos on youtube and attended car and coffees to check out those SCs in person I realized that the exhaust and engine sounds were disappointing, I know I will be getting flamed by the air cooled fans but just stating my personal observation. Hence I was asking about the Magnus Walker cars and the exhaust and burbles of his cars. Now that's the sound that appeals to me BUT 99% of air cooled cars I've seen do NOT sound like his cars. Obviously his cars are tuned to the max and in order for me to want to pay a ton more for an older car I'd need to make sure i'm getting the full sensory feedback. To me, from my research it seems like that would entail a ton of mods and would be extremely expensive. In summary, a stock SC would probably NOT give me the joy that my 996 c4s provides. Yes, a nicely tuned one that costs significantly more would most likely give me what i want in an older P car but that will be when I save up in future. Hopefully.... always great chatting! leon

oh and this comment I will take to heart for sure: "Whatever you do, don't cheat yourself by selling a 996 at the market low point for an SC near market highs. A little patience and you'll make out just fine" I had been thinking the exact same thing myself. 80s air cooled all were on a tear for past 10 years. 996s have fallen and fallen and fallen. I do think that eventually people will realize how nice a 996 drives especially with some tasteful mods and will realize that an SC is not worth 2x-3x a 996.

I've seen your notes in some of the SC & 3.2 cars that I've been monitoring & figured a little encouragement based on what I've learned could help. Check out this thread for some background on this C4S, which sounds fantastic imo for a dual track/street build: thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...-996-post.html You Tube Cheers & have a good weekend Leon

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awesome, thanks for sharing. I think im going to throw on a pair of 200 cel cats to augment the pse sounds!

A few other suggestions on the induction side: IPD plenums aren't cheap, but they do improve sound of induction (which can be quite loud above 4k rpm). They're well designed & don't throw any codes. Plug & play, great mod imo. Love mine. Get the regular size one (996 Carrera S 3.6L IPD Plenum | Part #96174-3.6) for the easiest install & compatibility with the ECU Resonator delete really opens up the induction sound coming out of the intake manifolds. At wide open throttle the car really howls above 4k. Thread here: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...irbox-mod.html So for less than $1,000 you can fully revamp induction to improve flow & sound AND have zero issues with your air/fuel mixture. No check engine lights or codes thrown.

Thanks Tony! I currently have that Schnell red hose which removes that remholz silencer tube. I did notice more of a howl on WOT in higher rpm range. So you mention the design tech cel 200 cats. Do you know of any other brands that are solid and sold here in the sTates? Thanks again Tony, Leon

I have 200 Cell HFC's and my car burbles as well when I lift off the throttle. *Check out Speedtech and NHP

Thank you! Which ones do you have on your 996? I"ve heard about : - Speedtech - NHP - Cargraphic - FVD - Fabspeed Any suggestions as best ones for the money? I am trying to do some searches online and came across this: https://flat6motorsports.com/collect...pipe-996-997-1 I also want to make sure that the xpipe i get will be an easy install on my c4s with pse mufflers. I know i've read that the 1st gen fabspeed xpipes didn't fit well.

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also, is it safe to say that the engine/exhausts of modded 996 can be just as nice if not more raw than on an sc??

I wouldn't go down the road of comparison beyond the point that you can get an m96 to sound pretty damn good and loud. Or good & refined. It's all about experimenting with your build and tuning it to the spec that makes you happy. This month will see 3 sets of mufflers on my 996. There is no substitute for good old fashioned grunt work & experimentation to find out what works for you. Plus there are tons of youtube videos to address basic questions about sound. The details can be worked out in person. Enjoy the journey

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hehe yes there are foodies and wine conouisiers and then those that enjoy the lovely engine and exhausts noises. I will be researching online and looking at vids for sure to see which ones paired with pse sound the best to my ears! enjoy the wknd! leon

Not all of us can afford to buy multiple sets of exhaust systems to experiment with. Good luck and post some sound clips!