H&R vs Feal coilovers

I need to go coilovers to get a bit lower stance. I am looking at tne H&R street performance and the Feal 441 kits. Anyone have opinions on these? The feal is a bit cheaper and includes the top mounts, where the h&r will require separate mounts

You pretty much get what you pay for in suspension components. I have the H&R Street Performance coilovers on my car and I'm happy with them. I have not heard anything bad about H&R. Your post is the first I've seen mention Feal. I don't think the suspension is where you want to go "super cheap."

Feal looks like a good company and the RL'ers who have tried them have been very pleased. What I like about Feal is that they will custom build your coilovers and select the proper valving and spring rate to meet your application.

I'm new to the suspension setup as well, I'm looking for the most aggressive handling suspension system that I can buy within budget. I do not Care about comfort one bit what so ever. I'm just looking for the best suspension for smoother road surface.

I'm looking for a fun canyon setup to compliment some H&R sways. So far leaning towards putting an OEM M030 setup on the car. Partially to preserve some clearance while improving handling (SLC isn't the most friendly town for stance nation). A distant afterthought is resale, where I assume the market will value M030 a bit higher than a random street coilover setup.

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M030 isn't low enough for me, and resale is in the dumpster on these cars anyway

i like the rear height, but the front just sits too high for me. this is on the eibach pro springs

Ive had the H&R setup for years now, not bad. I suggest replacing top mounts and inspecting/replacing control arms as needed while your in there. The cost will add up but doing it right first time around is well worth it. Now that ohlins supplies coilovers I would consider them, more $ but nobody questions their quality.

I spoke with a gentleman about replacing all the bushes and rubbers on the entire car. He mentioned no specific tools required, can this be done oon at home with common metrics tools, rubber mallet? I'm going to first address all my bushings first with poly. Then The coil over

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The person you spoke to is an idiot. I would not speak to them again in reference to anything beyond weather, sports, or dessert.

Check the DIY's on Pelican Parts - they will typically list any special tools you need for the common jobs. Some tools I didn't own before but I now consider "standard" are high-quality micro Torx, a boatload of security Torx, triple-square drivers, both star and allen drivers for the caliper bolts (because I never know what's going to show up), and the monster socket for the hub nut (32mm, I think)...

Thanks, yes he sounded like he was on the dumb side. So what's needed to press those bushings. 5chnl those are some great suggestions on those tools needed.

The rubber bushings are fine for street use and occasional track duty. A lot of the bushing will require a press to replace. You really have to go solid bushings everywhere to get a real performance difference. But that's obviously not recommended for the street. The poly's are in between rubber and solid and I think there are a lot of places you can get more performance for your dollar.

For my C2 I ran ksport and was very happy with them. They came with solid top mounts and drop links for the rear sway bar. . . and they were able to take the car very low.

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das y I qualified it w 'distant afterthought' Your car looks great btw, nice work on the setup.

Both seem like they have positive reviews. I have the Feal 441's myself and have been happy with them. I got the first set of 996 fitment 441's sold through their website, which I was confident in after being familiar with them in the Subaru world for several years. I think they are hard to beat for their value - they come with front camber plates, swift springs, have independent height/preload adjustments, adjustable damping, and are rebuildable by Feal in the US for $75 a corner for the original owner. The base 441 is a street oriented coilover and will not rattle your teeth out like some of the other aftermarket coilovers I've seen - I've found I like running damping set on the firmer side of the spectrum, but they are still road trip and DD friendly, not harsh at all. For semi-regular track use I'd say that the stiffer road race version would be the better choice. If anyone in the DC metro area wants a ride-along I'm happy to offer it. That said, there are a few little issues I think they are still sorting out to keep in mind. The rear studs were threaded differently than my oem struts so I had to run get some new nuts, adjustable swaybar droplinks may be a good idea for any ride height significantly different than stock, and another user on the forum found them to be a very tight fit in the front carriers on his Turbo. Their customer service has been great in my experience though, as I've had all my emails responded to in less than a day by knowledgeable staff. The H&R seem to be good quality but they don't offer much in the way of adjustment. For some that may be a positive as they're less effort to set up, but I wanted a bit more flexibility, and they seemed kinda pricey to not include mounts.

I have h&r street performance coilovers , h&r swaybars and all the bushes have been replaced with powerflex purple street polybushes , it's a great set up , you will probably need adjustable frount drop links and rear toe links if lowering the car with either CO The h&r sp coilovers have dampers by bilstein and all the components are made in Germany . It's good kit and fully rebuildable

intersting thread, I am considering PSS10 and H&R RSS. I have H&R sports springs in my car now and I found too much camber at the back. I have a 996 C4S. I guess if i lowered my car (no matter which suspension setup I choose, I will need the rear camber link kit to correct my camber?

How much camber do you have and what are you trying to get to?

I dont know how much camber exactly it has, but it is a visible negative camber

If that's rear, US spec calls for -1.15 degrees camber all the way up to the X74 spec of -1.65. I've been able to lower mine a few inches and still hit the -1.6 without issue.

Any updated feedback on the Feal CO's? How have they held up?

I’ve had my Feal coilovers installed since September 2018. I’m still very happy with them. Mine are adjusted at their maximum height since it is my DD and I have to deal with speed bumps and steep driveways.

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I forgot all about you installing them. How would you compare them to stock and did you get the 441 or 441+?

My 441's have held up well but as I've gotten more experience on track the street-oriented coilovers have begun showing their limits - definitely need more stiffness in the rear for track use. I've done 16 track days with them since I've had them, and will probably send them back to Feal after this season to rebuild them into a more track-friendly spec. Certainly been very pleased with them for daily driving and autocross duties though, they are a great deal.

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Did you get the regular 441's? What are the spring rates on those?

I've had my FEAL 441s for over 2 years on my 996tt and they are still fantastic even with our really awful roads. All street duty so far, but I will soon be PCA Club Racing with these shocks/springs once I get the cage done. As mentioned before in this thread, their service and all of my dealings with them to get the valving right, as well as the drop link arrangement (I think I was the first 996tt with their product), have been excellent.

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A neat part about FEAL coil-overs is that you can run stock the USA ride height. Most coil overs will only drop the ride height.

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ive been trying to find more details on the ksports- are they adjustable dampers, or no?

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I put ksports on my my '02 C2 a couple weeks ago. They are damping adjustable. 35 ways I think. I have mine set to the middle all around. They also have camber plates and eliminate the need for getting new or reusing the upper strut mounts.