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YOUR RESEARCHHoovie killed his 996
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I agree it was the cheapest 911 but that's not what killed that engine.
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He has follow up videos that confirm that it was the IMS bearing.
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He also stated he found a "used 911 engine" for $6,000 so he is considering that.
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I think Hoovie is pretty grate, I love his cavalier approach to used high-end car ownership.
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These 996 cars are starting to fall back into the hands of enthusiasts and not knuckles chuckle heads that don't change plugs, filters, oil regularly use the right gas, run car properly.
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Yes he found metal shavings inside his oil but still not a conclusive IMSB failure until he opens the motor to inspect.
Don't know if you guys ever saw this guy, but he works for auto trader and bought a 996 with 250,000 miles and made a bunch of videos about it. Then he decided to track it and lost blew the motor. Not a bad run for a 996.
Is that the dude who went to the track with the 996 and a Mustang? I just watched that today! Is that when he killed it? He said it did run awhile with no oil pressure!
I was sad to see Apollo 911 die. It lasted 240,000 ish miles and had 2-3 imsb replacements. People love to knock on the reliability of the 996, but Apollo speaks for itself.
Hoovie has the best car channel going on youtube. I would highly suggest subscribing to his channel.
Just read his write up.
Disapointed at his drive it in hopes the noises will go away approach.
Not hating here: Always looking for the angle I almost feel like he was pushing it to die. Will a viral 996 blew up YouTube video pay for a new motor better than the "this 996 won't die" video?
Either way will be intersting to watch how it pans out.
Entirely agree he tried to kill the car by driving it, you can kind of tell in the viseoa. Any rationale person would have taken it to get serviced....
I'm gonna step out on a limb and say he killed it with intent to do an LS swap. Was likely the plan all along.
Otherwise, why would someone even consider tracking an unmodded, 250k mile 996?
"My engine died at the race track so I drove it around until it was completely destroyed." - said the guy who purchased a 17 year old car, from a used car dealer, sight unseen, with zero maintenance records, and 243,000 miles. Then performed zero preventative maintenance.
sounds about right.
He was practically giddy driving the car around with a damaged engine.
He is making a YouTube show and has to keep it interesting. But his repair - whatever he chooses - is going to be a business expense. I kind of see him going with a used engine. But you never know.
I'm thinking LS swap, which will appeal to an entirely different type of buyer...
w/240k miles plus on the odomter, whatever resale value will be low anyway.
In his shoes, I'd go LS swap. Would make for a more interesting show in the long run, IMHO. Otherwise, I'd like to think he's smart enough to have had the car looked at to determine if the engine can be fixed/saved after the track issue.
He also stated he found a "used 911 engine" for $6,000 so he is considering that. But I agree, he seemed too happy when his motor failed. Everyone is thinking his plan was an LS swap all along.
Well, not surprised. He paid $9,500 for highest mileage (most likely) manual 996 for sale in US, flew to get it, did some mods to it, and then it died. Most likely his all in cost was $12,000 or so.
Top Gear had an episode about "cheap Porsches". Hoovie's experience reinforces the point. DO NOT DO IT. Average buyer of the $9,500 Porsche is doing it because that's all he can afford, and if it craps itself on him 3 months later...he is out at least $5k.
Tracking or not, car dropped the motor. If he buys a used motor and puts it in himself, that's another $6k (his words). So total price now goes to $18k. $18k initially would have bought him a good, low mileage 99-00 car.
Well the guy is making a career for himself and doing the class clown act to attract the "American Pie" internet crowd. He did everything he could to make the car fail from day one. And now that he has caused the engine to fail, he'll have a new story to tell. However I don't think of him as a Porsche enthusiast...more than likely he'll end up as a comedy/consumer reporter on a local tv station.
I've been following Apollo 911 - For the record, I don't think it would have died if he hadn't pushed it as hard on the track....Car was fine but no matter what, it was a high mileage car and no prep. I think he said what ultimately did the car in was oil starvation.
I agree it was the cheapest 911 but that's not what killed that engine. That said, I get the feeling that an LS swap is in the cards - but he did mention that purist would hate the idea....which leads me to believe he'll do the LS swap.
it is entertaining as I watched some of his other videos too. The premises is that 'I am an idiot and look what I did with my car', so I am in the camp thinking that he has had the LS swap in mind and maybe not intended to kill it but to see how far he can push it on Dyno, Drag Race and then track. But the intend was clear after the track mishap, instead of see what's happening he continue to push it.
But to do something most people will hate and claim ' I am an idiot, look what I put in my Porsche' will drive viewership.
It is entertaining. He had another video where he fixed a 4500 dollar S600 and tuned it to 500+ hp and killed it.
I will admit to a certain fascination with this... And purist or not, I want to see the LS swap. Does anyone have a link to the company that does the swap?
he has a video somewhere of a v8 boxster that is outright fast. I would love to take on that project one day just to do it. Someone on planet 9 did a LS3 Cayman with their kit and it's an awesome looking car
Although Hoovie is providing good entertainment, he must be the only 996 owner ever who knows about the motor's potential to fail and actually drove multiple times a car that makes abnormal noises.
Watching the video, when he first heard the buzzing sound on the track, I was amazed he kept driving it to the pits, I would have parked the car on the grass and paid to get it towed to someone who knows these cars. No, he kept driving it for days until it failed.
I understand there are multiple ways these engines can fail, most happen without advance warning. His car showed signs of imminent failure way before it got worse, he knew all about the risks. As others said, he wanted this engine to end its remarkably long life.
At least he's not complaining.
Anyone cares to speculate about what happened? This could be a rare example of an extensively documented M96 failure.
Would have been nice to see Apollo or any 996 go to 300K. I think he missed a real opportunity here by killing it. Oh well.
I would like to know what broke and why?!
I called it the moment I saw how he treated the car afterwards in the original footage. I guess when you have a 911 with
THAT
many miles, putting a standard p-car engine isn't going to help the value terribly much vs. what he's going to do... Might as well swap it for the added juice!
Can't wait to hear how much over budget the swap goes. LOL!
His YouTube channel's sole purpose is to generate revenue. He is going to keep things interesting and controversial to generate views. With that being said, I love his channel.
$1500.00 in labor? Someone wake this guy up - he's dreaming (I also don't believe he got that motor for $1500) !!!
I have a feeling his "dream" is going to be a financial nightmare... Hopefully he's honest about it
And that's probably the point to generate more views down the road... Oh I am so stupid because the 1500 labor budget is now costing me more money... Oh the parts need more work than I thought... the 1500 motor is causing problems... It is highly entertaining but you can sense the plot if you have watched his other videos. I do wish him success on the swap...
Like his sub 5k MB that he tuned to 600hp and he killed it.
One of the best scenes ever! Classic...
"And that's probably the point to generate more views down the road... Oh I am so stupid because the 1500 labor budget is now costing me more money... Oh the parts need more work than I thought... the 1500 motor is causing problems... It is highly entertaining but you can sense the plot if you have watched his other videos. I do wish him success on the swap... "
^^ Point well taken ^^ he's getting paid to make a fool of himself (as are we all in one form or another) and having a really good time!!
I love his videos too, and was sad that apollo 911 died, but then I realized he killed it. When I start analyzing his videos, I realize that he buys these crazy cheap/near death cars, and dramatic stories to get views. He does have entertaining videos, but I am pretty sure he bought this hoping it would die so he can get an entertaining video.
Exactly. He murdered the engine willfully. Heck he is still doing it more harm in the latest vid. Entertaining..... in a South Park meets a car kind of way but he is losing all credibility as a car guy as he digs himself deeper.
Go look at the 40th Anniversary registry thread; there's a guy on there who was at 335k miles last time he posted. Car is a beast; has a CEL for cat inefficiency and he just never bothered to do anything about it. Other than that it still runs great apparently.
From watching his video when it was on the track, looks like it wasn't an IMS bearing failure? Otherwise his engine would have seized up and no longer run.
He has follow up videos that confirm that it was the IMS bearing.
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Grrr... the fast forward feature isn't working. He shows the results at about 3:18
Yes he found metal shavings inside his oil but still not a conclusive IMSB failure until he opens the motor to inspect. He actually drove his car for a few days after the incident at the track and was still working. Would an IMSB failure seized the motor right after it fails?
Depending on how this turns out I'll take it into consideration when my engine kicks the bucket.
I'm at about 170k miles now so still a way to go until I hit the mid 200's but this should be interesting.
I enjoy his channel. I know it's just pure entertainment - any real car enthusiast would have shut it down after hearing any sound. But he needs to build up the drama. Who would watch a video about a vehicle making it to 300k while picking up groceries and making diaper runs?
The amount of metal that was in the filter probably means that the whole engine was toast. As soon as you run an engine with that debris, it pumps debris throuout the entire engine.
I don't think a failed IMSB causes engine seizure in many cases. Broken rods or pistons might.
If you watch the video to 4:30 or so, it states the the metals are copper and lead...these are indicative of failing main journal/crank bearings (not IMS - that would be steel). It's still possible that the IMS bearing has "failed" but not exploded yet. These steel filings in the oil, is one of the things that can/will take out the main bearings...
What I really really want to know is if it was in fact the IMS bearing that initially cause the engine break down. All indications lead me to believe it's not.
Usually that type failure have already been addressed by the mileage on the dashboard being so high. The ims failure is nothing these days, those problems occurred around 20 years ago hittind early stick shift cars harder. Most any 996 you find today, if not all Has already had a responsible owner that took care of there car at one point. These 996 cars are starting to fall back into the hands of enthusiasts and not knuckles chuckle heads that don't change plugs, filters, oil regularly use the right gas, run car properly.
Yes, and previous videos of him tracking the car revealed low oil pressure at the track. He kept driving. Then, another video had some engine noise, and again, kept driving.
So whatever it was had a lot of time to get smashed around, sent through the engine.
turbo cars don't have an IMS bearing like the NA 996 does. Turbo cars are much more reliable. IMS failure will hit any NA car, auto or manual. not sure where you got that info but it is incorrect.
My youngest son is active duty...gets out this Fall.
I'm in Beaufort and a couple other places...have multiple Porsches at this point (including a couple 996's). Give me a holler if you need a hand.
I need a hand I need a hand, I need help, lol. Tell your son to continue on, keep his nose clean. How can you help me, are you willing to work on my car with me, I don't have any tools to speak for. Do you know how to diagnose and address any problems? We don't have long left here at all, just a couple weeks and we are gone
Agree - and has got a smoking deal on that car because someone intentionally sabatoged the wiring in the engine to make it look like it was a basket case, so that drove the cost down further. Still, the cayennes are pretty cheap.
I think he had the V8 swap in mind the whole time, however I agree with you he should have just dropped the running motor and parted it out for $$$ rather than blowing it up, he just blew it up for higher ratings on his channel
I got sucked in by some of his videos thinking he was a real car guy trying to show what can be done or accomplished on a modest budget. Now it's clear he's the auto equivalent of johnny Knoxville just out for ratings.
Idiot savant or not you gotta see how his LS swap turns out on his 996. He did do about 70 - 80% of taking the motor out by himself. I predict he is going to face a lot of issues getting the old stuff to function like they are suppose to. I would really be surprise if he can pull this off and make it run even better than before.
I will not watch it. 70-80% his self does not impress. He still has a hired gun to bail him out. I'm sure between that and paid ads, it'll work out fine. Again, the dude has zero credibility as a car guy for willful engine mutilation.
Just me... but why wouldn't they jack the engine and transmission in place and then fit the mounting piece from the top?
NM... I see some accessories maybe bolted on top of the mount...
The motor mounts need to go up and over the top of the car's frame where it gets bolted down. Due to clearance issues, they had to use a seesaw motion to get it mounted. This was not an easy task but they did it.
What makes a wine good? What makes a beer good? Why is one red head hot and another not? It's an experience, attitude, and know it when you meet them kind of thing.
Hoovie is automotive scum or entertainment at best. Destroying a Kia for fun would be hilarious but willfully destroying a 911 is something no real car guy would do. He should open a shop and call it jackass auto and they can have a show about it on MTV. It it could be the only auto show worse than top gear USA.
I'm a car guy. I have no problem with what he did and would do it in a heart beat if I knew my engine was on its way out and I was going for a LS swap.
that's what
real
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The only problem I have with this v8 swap is hacking/cutting the rear body away to make it fit, its a permanent mod and a bit ugly.
It would have been a little more professional if the guy had fabbed a very nice replacement that worked with the v8 and was neatly welded in place etc.
I guess he doesn't care as the car was very cheap and he just wants cheap fun, different if it was a car in better shape with low miles.
Yes, and yours sucks. Real car guys don't destroy fine machines, due to negligence. Now buying one destroyed by a Hoovie and then doing the swap, props. But what he did is even further out of line than your lame reply.
I dont mind his videos they are entertaining.
He did run his engine into the ground but I also think he wanted to do an LS swap and saving that engine was never on his agenda.
He obviously thinks destructing engines gets views I guess.
Lol. Again, thats your opinion.
He bought a cheap 911 for this exact purpose, it's not your car so try not to care too much about what a real car guy does with his ride.
There is a real fine line between genius and stupidity. You think you're one smart dude but your just the 3rd or 4th smartest guy in our own little reproduction of a Idiocracy. The first film to start as a comedy and become a documentary. Every time you cheer for Hoovie you lose IQ points. Sure you're cool to all the other cool kids starring in Idiocracy 2, but that's the same culture where you stick the medical in your ear, butt, no mouth.... and that's a lot like how Hoovie approaches car work. Sure it's funny, but I'm a lot more careful where I put probes.
But hey if he's your hero, rick on with popcorn. When you get ecoli, I won't feel sorry for you.
There is a real fine line between genius and stupidity. You think you're one smart dude but your just the 3rd or 4th smartest guy in our own little reproduction of Idiocracy. The first film to start as a comedy and become a documentary. Every time you cheer for Hoovie you lose IQ points. Cheer more, lose more. Sure you're cool to all the other cool kids starring in Idiocracy 2, but that's the same culture where you stick the medical probe in your ear, butt, no mouth.... and that's a lot like how Hoovie approaches car work. Sure it's funny, but I'm a lot more careful where I put probes.
But hey if he's your hero, rock on with popcorn.
I cheer for Hoovie because:
1 -- He bought a 240,000 mile 996 and celebrated the fact that it was still amazingly good, even at this age and mileage.
2 -- He is doing an LS Swap. There aren't enough of these, and it's a great idea that might hopefully develop the kit into something that easier and easier to attain for the average Joe. At the moment, these kits are still difficult and expensive, enough for most folks to simply choose a flat-6. Nothing against a flat-6, but if the LS could be done for 1/2 the cost (today it cannot), then I think more folks would be up for it, especially given that it would make the 996 significantly faster.
I just love a good hotrod project. American muscle with German handling. It's going to be a sweet machine.
let the haters do their thing. That's what's great about this hobby, our personalities come out in our mods. Not everyone will love what you do but at the end of the day its your car so who really cares? This a qwirky car for a qwirky guy lol
I have nothing against an LS swap. However if this Hoovie character were half the enlightened hot rodder some of you are claiming, he would've sold a rebuildable M96 core for a good chunk of his swap cost. But he isn't enlightened or a hot rodder. He's just another comedic YouTuber.
An LS swap will never cost half what it does today. Costs are going sky high right now because the demand for LS engines is through the roof. It really is an amazing feat of engineering.
I think Hoovie is pretty grate, I love his cavalier approach to used high-end car ownership. Its' refreshing.
So what, he doesn't care as much about his almost 20 year old 996 as much as you feel he should? So he uses his cars in a matter most of you see unfit, maybe relax a bit and just go enjoy your car like Hoover does.
So who is the real car guy? The one that drives and enjoys with a general lack of concern? Or the one that parks in a cave on mars, only daring to travel on the of best of days freaking out over every cold start, person that gets too close and funny noise because what might (not) happen?
He's an enthusiast not a mechanic, hence the mechanic doing all the work. Lighten up guy, or make a BBC style documentary with David Attenborough narrating.
if having fun means you can't be an enthusiast then I'm selling my car today.
Hoovie does grate, that's for sure.
Cavalier, moronic; fine line indeed.
I generally drive my cars like the designers intended, but I don't neglect problems either. That's how car guys roll..... apparently many of you just don't get it.
three types of p car guys
1). Status driven types obsess and worry over everything
2) clueless tools, like Hoov
3) and car guys
3 being the very large minority. I'm not going to toss out names but it's pretty obvious who falls into which category around here.
Back to work, so I can pay my maintenance and tire bills.
That's funny, because I thought there were only 2 kinds of Porsche owners: those who can afford them (and buy new), and those who cannot (and buy ten years later)
and guys who take ALL of this way too seriously! Hopping in my car in 30 minutes, i hope my opinion does not make my IMS bearing blow up this afternoon!
2.5* here, reporting for duty.
*it should be noted for the record that I have performed a 5 wrench repair, successfully even! Not to mention half a dozen 2-3 wrench reparis on the Pelican scale.
buying cars later allows me to have many more toys. Yes I could probably sell all my cars , keep my truck and get a Ferrari.... but I like having more choices.
Let's look at this a different way.
I have a decent driver 87 944 in my garage. It's for my 18 year old son to learn to work on/drive hard and motivate him to work and make decent grades.
Lets say I neglected that car. I then raced it. Oil, coolant, who cares? Timing belt maintenance... f that! And then bam Mr. Piston meets Mr. Valve and I'm on video laughing about it. Then I post videos of me trying to push start it and wearing out batteries trying to get it to drive again all while acting foolish.
Then lets say someone on this forum says I'm a fool for destroying a car on purpose. Would you all have my back and be bragging about what a cool car guy I am? Would it matter if I was going to do an LS1 swap or any other engine swap after?
There is a huge difference than that and most engine swaps where people buy cars with bad engines or sell the parts to keep others on the road.
No. The only reason you guys think this guy is not an idiot is because of YouTube views and some advertising dollars. I'm way too much of a car guy and I see past all that to the truth. The reality is that I wouldn't trust Hoovie with a Yugo.
Point is who cares? he bought a high mile beater, tracked it without caring about the result, and thrn made some additional dumb videos to get views.
But he paid for it, its not rare, and the engine was likely not long for this world anyway...so again, why do you care so much what some other guy does with his 240k 996?
Why would i care if you blew up your 944 engine?
Out of curiosity do you also get upset at the producers of Taken 3 where they basically destroyed a working 996 by crashing it into a plane? That was awesome to watch!
If this Hoovie dude ever gets the LS in the 911 he will probably wrap it around a hard stationary object. I just hope it doesn't kill him! 430+hp in one of these requires attention and does not apply well for mugging for a camera.
Complete LS3's still available for less than $6800 from vendor I research.
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