Motul 300V Challenge!

I figure I need to spice things up a bit with another OIL THREAD! woo hoo! Anyway, I got a care package of Motul 300V 5W/40 racing oil and a bottle of engine clean to try out. The engine clean goes into the oil tank, then you idle the car for 15min, and dump the oil. My oil came out fairly dirty, but no metal shavings as far as I could see. The oil had about 10k miles on it. My first impression of the 300V oil was that it smelled really nice. Yes, you heard me right. It's made from coconut oil and it smells kinda like tanning lotion. Hey, I like my car to smell nice on the inside too. The container looks flat, but has a pop-up spout, so no funnel is needed, which is a relief when you realize you don't have a funnel. Initial impressions after the first 100 miles is that the car seems to run a bit smoother w/ slightly less lag in the tiptronic shifting. I like the fact that it is fully synthetic, and the owner has a nice 3 page deal to explain the different meanings of "synthetic" when it comes to oils these days. It is on the expensive side. I think retail is about $25 for 2 Liters. But if it's better for my engine, then it's worth it. I'm supposed to get another care package in a few months. So I'll probably change my oil again after 3K miles and post additional impressions then. Anyone else try Motul oils? What was your experience? Aaron

It is a terrific product, no question it is one of the higher quality oils available. Ester based,very similiar to Redline. It has a high "reserve" additive package and will go much much longer than 3000 miles. Honestly, you are wasting money and time by changing out a $13/quart oil so soon.

Search on it at BITOG

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I agree, but I got this for free, so I will test it based on the sender's request. Wow, how do you find these sites? Very cool. Thanks.

NP. Did oil analysis with a couple previous cars, and this site always comes up when people ask how to interpret the reports you get back. Its like a whole other world over there.

BITOG is a great site, plenty of knowledgeable engineers post there.

Searching for "Motul" and found this thread. Aaron, did you change the oil yet? Been trying to decide if there's any point to using Motul in the 996. Our 130k mile S4, which is chipped and regularly sees 250� oil temps, has been running on 300V 5W40 at 8-9000 mile drain intervals its whole life. I do a used oil analysis every time and there's always negligible wear and the additives are far from depleted even at that interval. Pretty amazing oil. Need to decide if the 996 will be happier on cheapo Mobil1 with frequent changes, or a much higher quality oil like Motul with changes every year (~8k miles).

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Jon, Yep, I changed it about 3K miles ago. Did the engine clean they sell prior to dumpin the old oil. Currently, the car runs great! I think the engine feels a little smoother, but that could be my imagination. I have burned a little oil w/ the Motul. Nothing outside of normal limits, but I wasn't burning any w/ the Mobil 1. I just bought the Flat6 "spin-on filter adapter" and plan to change the oil again in another 2k. Not sure if I will go with the Motul again, or try RedLine 5W40. Aaron

Any issues with the variocam? I've read here and elsewhere that one must use 0W40 or get a CE light? Any perceptible change in the "feel" of the variocam engaging?

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No, no isues whatsoever. Some of the turbo guys are changing over to 5W/50 and they don't have any variocam issues either.

Are you still happy with the Motul? Did you end up switching to Redline? If so, how do they compare? I'm about to change my tranny fluid to Motul 300V before I head off to Willow Springs this weekend, & when I get back, I need to do an oil change as well. Wondering wether I should go with Motul or Redline... Thanks.

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I'm happy w/ Motul 300V, but not sold 100%. On the plus side it's a really nice oil, lots of esthers, zinc, and dammit, it smells good. On the negative, it's friggin expensive (about $150), and as with any racing oil, it's only good for about 5k miles. I had planned to go w/ Redline, but at the last minute couldn't find the 15W/40 weight on Amazon (that's the only 40 weight they have). I have no real data on Redline, but IMO it seems like a high quality synthetic, close to the 300V, but at about $30-50 less. This oil change I ended up w/ Motul 8100 Ex-cess. It's about $100. Recommended by knowledgeable person. Once again, no hard data on my part, but I feel it's a step above Mobil 1, and a good choice for DD. That being said, if I tracked my car (and it wasn't a tip ), I would go with the Redline or 300V. Currently I am changing the oil every 5k miles, I have the spin-on filter adapter, M1 filter, FilterMag, and magnetic drain plug. For the expert scoop on oil check out http://www.bobistheoilguy.com Have a blast at WS!!

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What is it that doesn't have you completely sold? Just the price & frecuent oil change? I don't care about the price, since it's justified by the savings I'll be making by changing out the oil myself . Redline has a 0W40 & 5W40, but not in their race oil line, so I'm guessing it doesn't have the same properties, benefits, & durability... With price out of the comparison, would you say the 300V is even a little better than Redline? Did you feel any difference (both positive & negative) going from their 300V to the 8100? Because the 300V is pretty damn expensive, lol. It's okay, when I'm sitting in the dry SoCal summer heat somewhere between SD & LA on the 5 freeway, moving with an average of 3MPH & constantly avoiding soccer moms in minivans, "tough guys" in lifted trucks, ricers that have seen too many Fast & Furious movies, & illegal Mexicans with no license/insurance that don't know how to drive (not racist, I AM Mexican... Just honest), I wish I had a tip, hahaha. I'm planning on doing the spin-on filter adapter & either the M1 or K&N filter as well, but had never heard of that "FilterMag"... I googled it right now, & that looks pretty awesome. I'll probably end up doing that as well. You learn something new everyday! Thanks for the heads up. Thanks, I just signed up on that site now, there seems to be a LOT of good info there. I'll try. I'm pretty excited actually. ... Thanks for all the good tips.

Motul is an outstanding product. I ran their oils in my motorcycles and never had a complaint. I"ve alwyas used Redline 5w-40 in my Porsche though. Mainly due to local availability. (thanks JEGS). Based on my research they're comparable oils and both top tier products. Really can't go wrong with either. Andy

[QUOTE=RaphaelPlascencia;6926324]What is it that doesn't have you completely sold? Just the price & frecuent oil change? I don't care about the price, since it's justified by the savings I'll be making by changing out the oil myself . COLOR="Red"]I THINK IT'S MOSTLY THE PRICE, SINCE I'M NOT CONVINCED IT'S BETTER THAN THE REDLINE. ANDY LIKES THE REDLINE, SO THAT'S ONE MORE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE.[/COLOR] Redline has a 0W40 & 5W40, but not in their race oil line, so I'm guessing it doesn't have the same properties, benefits, & durability... With price out of the comparison, would you say the 300V is even a little better than Redline? I THINK THAT WE SHOULD COMPARE RACING OILS TO RACING OILS. THE 5W/40 WOULD PROBABLY BE COMP TO THE MOTUL 8100. FWIW THE MOTUL IS PORSCHE APPROVED, IF THAT MATTERS (I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE). Did you feel any difference (both positive & negative) going from their 300V to the 8100? Because the 300V is pretty damn expensive, lol. I CAN'T SAY B/C I PUT ON THE SPIN-ON FILTER AT THE SAME TIME. I THINK ANY POSITIVES I'M NOTICING ARE COMING FROM THE FREE FLOW FILTER. I'm planning on doing the spin-on filter adapter & either the M1 or K&N filter as well, but had never heard of that "FilterMag"... I googled it right now, & that looks pretty awesome. I'll probably end up doing that as well. You learn something new everyday! Thanks for the heads up. M1 AND K&N ARE THE EXACT SAME FILTER, SO EITHER ONE IS GOOD.

I'd like to see more comparisons between them. Genearlly a true racing oil is a single weight oil. The additive / detergent package that they add to the oil to give it extended drain periods gives it the split weight properties for the street as well. Knowing the Motul 300v is a split weight oil I'm curios if it's really a comparison to Redline's "racing" line or just their street line. Andy

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Motul 300V in the 5W40 weight needs no viscosity modifiers. In effect, it is a single weight oil that can cover both extremes. That's what's so special about it. No modifiers, nothing to break down, so it maintains its viscosity very well in extreme conditions. When I first stumbled on that bit of information a few years back, there were no other 5W40 oils that could make that claim.

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Do you know if it contains detergents for extended fill intervals?

Jon, Have you seen any write ups on the Redline oils?

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I've been running ~8000 mile drain intervals in the Audi, and I just sent in another sample. I requested a TBN this time, so we'll see what's left. Charles Navarro has posted in the past that he thinks the 300V is running out at a much shorter interval when run in 996s. Don't know much specifically about Redline.

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Good to know. I may have to give it a shot in the future. I wanted to make sure it wasn't an oil that needed changed at "XX" hours like most racing oils.

I think it would be interesting to send your used oil to Blackstone Labs after your next oil change and see what they tell you. I'm fortunate to have them in my backyard. They will send you a free test kit and give you a good analysis of your oil at the next change.

The 300V is pretty much toast after 5000 miles/6 months in a daily driver, mostly highway miles. Verified with used oil analysis, less than TBN of 2. I'd venture to say if you had short drives, the TBN reserve would be used up much quicker. The Motul 8100 X-Cess 5w40 (Porsche approved) holds it's TBN reserve much better. In fact, it holds it's TBN better than Mobil 1, which shocked the hell out of me when I ran it in our track car.

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Charles, what is your current recommended oil for a 3.4 that sees mostly track miles? Feel free to PM or email as well. How far is Momence from Chicago? Do you do IMS retrofits as your shop? Thanks, Mike

There's no change in my opinion on oils for the aircooled cars. And most of the general principles translate over to the water cooled engines. I don't want to start anything that would require This season I've been testing lots of different oils in our track Boxster and have been pleased with all of them (used oil analysis has said they are all about the same when it comes to wear) - Brad Penn 10w40, Mobil 1 4T Racing 10w40, Joe Gibbs Racing 10w40, Motul 8100 5w40, and I'm putting in Castrol Syntec 5w40 today for the next 2 day track weekend for Octoberfest at Blackhawk. There are tons of oils I want to try next season. I'll post the results when I've run them all and can just make one post. We don't do any installs at our location, but for ims retrofits and stuff like that, we have a good relationship with Joe Rizza Porsche: http://www.lnengineering.com/service.html One of my friends is a technician there and has profession pride in the work he does, which is rare these days. He does all the work on our cars, I just don't have the time.

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Interesting Charles, and refreshing that we don't have to have the super secret decoder ring to get an informed opinion about oils. Also good to hear since the Motul 8100 X-Cess 5w40 isn't that much more expensive than M1, although it may need to be ordered via the web and not available locally.

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Thanks Charles! Hope to meet you at the track soon. Mike

I won't be at the PCA Blackhawk Octoberfest (as the Ventura show is the same weekend), but my wife will be there driving. This season I've been at pretty much every event, as I joined the PCA Tech crew, so just look for a yellow vest!

Here's the update. TBN was 12.3 new, 2.3 after 8400 miles in the Audi. Probably pushing it a bit.