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YOUR RESEARCHNeed Advice and maybe a Pep-Talk - Oil Sump
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I realize this is probably a super easy thing to do, it's just a bit new for me.
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Be careful to not dump/clean the sump plate prematurely before you can look it over and check for bits and pieces and specific debris that will give indications of engine health...
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Be careful to not dump/clean the sump plate prematurely before you can look it over and check for bits and pieces and specific debris that will give indications of engine health...
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Then clean off all the sealing areas appropriately, then wipe with a clean shop rag wet with brake clean to get any oil residue off, maybe do this again right before you slap on the plate.
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Then clean off all the sealing areas appropriately, then wipe with a clean shop rag wet with brake clean to get any oil residue off, maybe do this again right before you slap on the plate.
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Be careful to not dump/clean the sump plate prematurely before you can look it over and check for bits and pieces and specific debris that will give indications of engine health...
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Be careful to not dump/clean the sump plate prematurely before you can look it over and check for bits and pieces and specific debris that will give indications of engine health...
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Then clean off all the sealing areas appropriately, then wipe with a clean shop rag wet with brake clean to get any oil residue off, maybe do this again right before you slap on the plate.
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Then clean off all the sealing areas appropriately, then wipe with a clean shop rag wet with brake clean to get any oil residue off, maybe do this again right before you slap on the plate.
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Be careful to not dump/clean the sump plate prematurely before you can look it over and check for bits and pieces and specific debris that will give indications of engine health...
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IMHO, as long as you don't over-do the amount of sealer, and fully snug up each bolt, and have cleaned all old old sealer/burrs off, the worst you could do is have a very very small seep that needs you to re-do the job and could always wait till next oil change for another look around in there.
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Car: 1999 C2, Coupe, Manual
I'm about to drop the sump and put in some new X51 baffles, as well as a new M97 Oil pickup tube. I'm a little scared though - I've only ever dropped an oil pan on cars that I didn't need to be careful around, or they has gaskets. I'm mostly worried about making sure I apply the sealant correctly and torque everything correctly. I haven't found a super helpful video or guide online on how thick to apply the sealant, best practices, etc.
Anyone have any tips or advice? I realize this is probably a super easy thing to do, it's just a bit new for me.
Any videos or how-to guides would be super appreciated.
Thanks!
Rennvision has one which goes thru the process as well as scoping the bores thru the sump. Dont remember the name of the video but it probably has to do with scoping the bores.
I realize this doesn't answer the gasket question, but I ordered the X51 baffles from LN Engineering and couldn't make it fit so I sent it back. I had my shop install the M97 swirl pots.
Clean the surfaces,
1-2 mm bead then smear it to create a very thin coat. Only one side.
Do not over torque the bolts, somewhere there is a recommended pattern but I just work across.
Here is a video.
You Tube
Resist the urge to use a metal scraper or razor blade to remove the gasket material, there are plastic scrapers that work with a bit more elbow grease.
Acetone and a brass brush work wonders removing the old sealant. Test fit the sump plate with the baffle in to the sump before you apply new sealant. If I recall correctly from when I installed mine, I think I had to remove a piece of the rubber edge material from the baffle. I think there was something mentioned about that in the install instructions. No need to over think it, you've got this!
Bolts are torqued to 7lb-ft (10Nm).
Thread in 3 or 4 M6 studs of 25mm or longer to guide the sump plate up against the engine and make it easier during assembly to keep the sealant where you put it.
Removing the sump plate on a m96 gives a good window into engine condition.
Be careful to not dump/clean the sump plate prematurely before you can look it over and check for bits and pieces and specific debris that will give indications of engine health...
I sit it down flat and carefully to avoid spilling any evidence, and look it over noting anything thats there.
The stud cheat mentioned above, to reassemble the sump plate, lets a rookie without coordination and any mechanical skills, to do this job leak free and maybe(?) without introducing excess sealant into engine.
IMHO, as long as you don't over-do the amount of sealer, and fully snug up each bolt, and have cleaned all old old sealer/burrs off, the worst you could do is have a very very small seep that needs you to re-do the job and could always wait till next oil change for another look around in there. I take off the sump plate every oil change and see whats going on in there...
Its child's play with a electric ratchet, 13 small 10mm bolts.
Might want to wait at least over nite till the m96 drip drip drip slows way down. Then clean off all the sealing areas appropriately, then wipe with a clean shop rag wet with brake clean to get any oil residue off, maybe do this again right before you slap on the plate. Then use a very very small bead or dabs here and there, then distribute evenly across the plate flange maybe distributing more of the sealer towards the outside edge/lip on the sealing flange. Smoothed out very thin and tacked up with finger tip while removing any excess sealer and confirming a very very thin layer of sealer. If your cases and sump plate are flat like they always seem to be, can't be but .001"< gap maybe in some spots and basically no gap in other areas. Not much room for excess sealer there. Doing it that way, no excess will get into engine and you'll have a dry seep free sump... More is not better here.
Some use/recommend very expensive sealer that is more friendly with any residual oil left on sealing areas. I'd rather clean it off good right before sealing it up and use normal cheap case sealant that works fine. I've used many different type sealers here, even not expensive Permatex gray/black, never had so much as a seep or a drop of a leak.
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search on hartech or UIDS or LN Engineering or "deep sump" and there are threads out there covering all these types of procedures and questions.
I have installed a Hartech deep sump, 997 tubes, and modified the stock baffle as required. All very straightforward. The available threads help.
You tube also has videos if I recall. Use the proper type of sealant and no need to over apply it. You may have to allow it to begin its cure before tightening the new sump onto the engine. The details will be in the directions for the sealant you use.
Use a thread locker to hold the bolts in place, but use one that will allow future removal if you ever need to. Different colors have differing torque yield thresholds for future removal.
