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my previous c4s came with the factory installed aerokit and w/o the badge.
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Anyone have a picture of a clean C2 in Seal Gray with no badge?
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To me, this sort of legitimizes debadging the car, but it's still not to my own taste to do so.
Ok so went on a little pre-fun run excursion today with a buddy and he has his 88 carrera debadged. I love the look on his car but not sure how it woudl look on mine. Anyone have a picture of a clean C2 in Seal Gray with no badge?
My understanding of debadging is to show a car what it is not....often to either hide performance, or to make a car look like a similar (to the untrained eye) better model. I think it's more of a street racing tactic.
I wouldn't do it.
thanks,
Amir
Hi Bill,
I'm with Benjamin and Riad. Seal gray is a subtle color and the badge adds a little something imho. But hey, you know best what you like. So, do what makes you happy!
Linda
'03 996TT
Don't do it. I'm not going to de-badge my C4S when I get it in a couple of weeks. I did however debadge my Audi A6 Avant - on there I think it looks good.
Not much involved in debadging a P-car compared to VW or Audi changing grills, etc, but why?
Are you just removing the Carrera off the back? That's probably reasonable...
the 996 can pull off the debadging just fine.
if you don't have the aerokit, leave the carrera or other script badge on. if you do have an aerokit, take off the script badge and put the 911 badge on (keeps things more tidy and less busy).
I think it looks a lot cleaner. That is the first thing I am going to move from my car, with the US bumper "thing".
It is funny to have a bagde if you put a carrera on a turbo. We have one customer that has put 316 og his 335i. That I like.
thanks Fly as the only guy that actually posted a picture so far
Would NEVER advertise the car as something greater than it is by putting something else like "turbo" or some such nonsense. That drives me nuts. In fact on my track 914 I left the 2.0 badge on the back even though I had a bigger motor. Anyone have just the rear end without wing or other add-ons with no badge? I have a feeling that it looks better with the script on seal gray to keep the back end from being to monotone....
I can see this turning into a long debate over personal preference...personally I don't care for them and like the cleaner look. I'd take the center BMW badge off of the M3 if it didn't leave a recess on the trunk.
Whatever floats your boat. It's a personal call, it seems to me. But I'll say this: I think the popular belief is that nobody debadges a car to hide it's power. They do it in the hope that you'll think it's more than it is. When I was a BMW guy, the only cars without badges in the E36 world were the 318i. If you like the cleaner look, then that's all the rationale you need. But if you care about how it's perceived (and by asking the question here, I have to assume you do), just know that real enthusiasts are as likely to roll their eyes as not.
I dont care about perceptions - I used to drive a 914 - and I get (and dislike) the poseur attitude for sure. I dont like yellow calipers on non PCCB cars, crazy bodykits that look tacked on, and badging that says the car is more than it is.
I dont think any real enthusiast that knows these cars would confuse a C2 with any other variant with just the badge missing, right? Bumpers are different, no side scoops like on the turbo, etc... Honestly I dont give two farts what other people think of my car as it is for my enjoyment not theirs. Outside of those that know these cars, it is just the generic "Porsh" anyway so the mainstream doesnt know the difference.
This whole concept of skin deep mods is new to me anyway with most of my p-car time spent on the track over the last 18 years....
I for one really like the clean looks. I have debadged my 1995 993, e36 m3 and my 99 C2 Aero. It is just plain cleaner looking. Would debadge the S4 but it is the wifes car and haven't had time.
First thing to go is any dealer badging, then any model badging (usually leaves no holes) the mftr badging usually stays (hood crest, emblem, etc)
Search is your friend, my friend. For what it's worth, I'm in the badgeless camp. I know what I drive, and any enthusiast knows what's what on these cars.
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...=carrera+badge
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...=carrera+badge
Debadging is a European thing... it's like women not shaving but in reverse... they keep the fur, but shave off the badges.
I'm currently in Brussels and today saw a debadged black C2 and personally thought it looked naked and rather sad looking. If it were a BMW, then I'd say that debadging makes it look better.
The highlight of my day today was when I heard the familiar growl of a Porsche. I looked to my left and see a beautiful seal grey 997 Turbo at the other side of the street pulling in along side a black debadged 996 C2. The sight of two nice looking cars on such a miserable day (it rained all day!) was enough to lift spirits in even the most miserable weather. I whipped out my camera and tried to snag a photo as the two cars were alongside each other - hopefully I captured a decent shot... kinda hard to catch a nice photo of two Porsches in low light and rain when one of the cars is moving, but we'll see.
So, if the owner of that Seal Grey Turbo is a Rennlister (unlikely) he made my day. I'll see if the photo I took was any good when I get home at the end of the week and upload it to my computer.
Since we're splitting hairs over badges, I will say that the 996 Carrera4S badge is the best looking badge of all-time. That swoopy S that looks like a winding road is absolutely spot-on set off in gray.
I'd never leave that thing off. It fills out the back nicely.
I agree with Bronston's point of view on this one.
As a starting point, driving a 911 gives us the good fortune of owning a design icon that has retained the same basic shape since its mid-1960s introduction. In truth, no badges are necessary to identify it as a Porsche (Ferrari, on the other hand, can't seem to put enough brand logs on their cars!).
The black Carrera script on the rear of my car was nearly invisible against the dark Vesuvio Metallic paint, and was also a "wax-catcher." For those reasons, I removed it and to my satisfaction, the rear looks fine without it.
I have no desire to pass off my car as a "4" or an "S" or a "turbo." My car is what it is....it's a 2-wheel drve, base engine, normally aspirated 911, pure and simple.
For you guys who have the "more advanced/more expensive" models, I can see why you might not want to de-badge your car. As for me, my image as an individual is secure regardless of which 911 I have. I neither benefit, nor suffer, from owning the basic '99 911. Similarly, I neither benefit, nor suffer, from owning the smaller engined Audi TT.
I love both cars, depite the presence or absence of any particular badge(s).
Let me preface this by stating that while I'm solidly in the no badge camp, the 911 badge is the cleanest look to me if there's got to be a badge back there.
However, when I see it on cars that are not Millenium editions, or 40th anniversary editions with the 911 badge I wonder how that's any different than putting a GT3 badge on an aero package car. It's still advertising the car to be something that it is not.
Audi, don't agree on that one. I opted for a black 911 emblem as for me it simply looked far better than any of the other options. Also just to point out the Millenium Edition came with a 911 on the rear.
lol you guys never fail to put a
on my face.
i'm not a fan of the red S. teh larger S in gray already stands out. the red S casts too much of a bright shadow over the Carrera 4.
on the narrowbody or any body... i like the longer script of the Carrera more than just the 911. it fills it out better. and i always like the silver script over the black script which looks kinda cheap.
man it's hairsplitsville day here for us! just insane how we're so in love with these cars that we share with each other thoughts on the fuqin BADGE the sticker, the piece o'plastic.
life is pretty all right
But your car is not purple
Like I said, my personal opinion is that the 911 is the best looking one of the bunch, it's the small technicality that it only came on limited edition cars that kills it for me. I'll give you the fact that it't not a huge glaring flaw like putting a GT3 badge on an aero car in that only Porsche people would really know any better, but technically...........
Andy
slightly off subject5, I think the MK1 GT3 is the most desirable, best looking water cooled 911 . yes the 997 GT3 is second to me in looks. perf wise, you can't really argue, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGyZcCfnYt0
i love this vid. perfect lowered on 19" BBS LMs. perfect. just needs the rear strakes.
Isn't badging just another form of modding? It is a cosmetic modification. And moving in that direction, we should open another can of worms saying anything nonstock is a no no? This is going around in circles.
I agree that it's funny that there's soo many different (and strong) opinions on this topic. The worst part is that we argue over something that's basically a personal preference and everyone wants to try to best justify how they feel. In the end it's simple preference and nobody should have the right to tell anyone else that their car is "bad".
I think I get a little touchy over it because there used to be a guy with a Red MKI aero that lived in the same 'burb as me who had horrible chrome wheels on his car with turbo rear offsets that stuck out past the rear fenders and a GT3 badge on the back...annoyed the hell out of me esp since most people who saw the car thought it was mine!
Andy
love that video, the Mk1 GT3 CS and the 996 RS, super rare.... all time fav
since we're splitting hairs... Porsche offers the debadging as an option.
BTW.... 4 page discussion for badge-no badge (plus other previous badge-no badge threads)... Like Ben sez, Life is good!
on the 997 c4s, it's ok to do since it's not as big as the 996 S and the same color as the carrera.
now would i spend $ to get it in red? no. just don't care enough for it.
my car came from the factory unbadged. i spent the $70 or so to get teh carrera 4s on there and there is a thread that displays the measurements per my ask.
Very few Porsches in Germany carry the Carrera badge. I think you can order the cars without the badge actually. I've removed mine from my 89, 3.2 and my 996. I think it looks great without.
Red - after some research I've decided to go with the Evo. TPC has that very annoying whine along with some negative feedback, although there not that far away from me.
I'm going to try and see if there is some flexibility in pricing with the Evo, which vendor did you buy from?
I can see myself keeping this car for a very long time esp due to the miles currently on it.
That's correct. Mine was originally ordered this way. There's even an option code for this, at least on the 997s. It's 498. To me, this sort of legitimizes debadging the car, but it's still not to my own taste to do so.
(The badge was in an envelope in the trunk when I got mine).
i know the M cars can be ordered sans badge from factory not that this makes it special or anything.
bottom line, debadged looks kit car, bland. the script is pretty anyways.
