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YOUR RESEARCHscam alert on autotrader!
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Last week there was one for $21900, I replied "I wanted to buy it, I will send you a check for $25,000, use the rest to pay the shipper when they come to pick it up." No reply yet.........
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Last week there was one for $21900, I replied "I wanted to buy it, I will send you a check for $25,000, use the rest to pay the shipper when they come to pick it up." No reply yet.........
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After her last e-mail, which was identical to the first one posted by William above, I told her that I have a cashier's check for $31,000 from a recent deal which did not go through (Julie's car is listed for $26k).
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Suggestion · Original poster
juilie...this sounds good...please send me the vin# so i can check the carfax history on the car.
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Afterwards you will have 5 days to test and inspect the car prior to make any purchase.
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Last week there was one for $21900, I replied "I wanted to buy it, I will send you a check for $25,000, use the rest to pay the shipper when they come to pick it up." No reply yet.........
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After her last e-mail, which was identical to the first one posted by William above, I told her that I have a cashier's check for $31,000 from a recent deal which did not go through (Julie's car is listed for $26k).
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It is getting to the point where the volume of those scam is so large, I wonder if it is not a conspiracy orchestrated by the national dealer association to bring down any kind of private used car sale !
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It has 35,950 miles.I work in the real estate business and I just sold my house and moved out.This is the last thing I need to sell because I don't need it anymore...I am very busy with my work and I won't not be able to deal in person,but I've already arranged the shipping and the title transfered anywhere in the US.We can use Escrow Management protection program for our safety and for payment I prefer to use an Escrow Management buyer protection plan.The financial part will be managed by them,which means that you will have 5 days inspection period before committing to buy the vehicle and a refund policy will be included.The deal will go strictly according to Escrow Management rules and pol
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Last week there was one for $21900, I replied "I wanted to buy it, I will send you a check for $25,000, use the rest to pay the shipper when they come to pick it up." No reply yet.........
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i've been looking on autotrader and cars.com the past week for a P-car and came upon an ad on autotrader for a 2004 GT-3 for $23,500.
i asumed it was BS but i took the bait and emailed. *i googled the email address and there are a host of fraud alerts on this person...i noticed several other ads within the autotrader website from this person...check out the string of emails. can't believe people have taken the bait w/o looking at a car...one guy lost $31K...*start at the bottom and scroll up:
wm:
hey after some research on the internet i reported you to the seattle FBI internet division.
--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Julie D. Garver <[email removed]> wrote:
From: Julie D. Garver <[email removed]>
Subject: RE: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3
To:
[email removed]
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 3:02 PM
William,
Here is the vin
WP0AC29964S692543
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:12:57 -0800
From:
[email removed]
Subject: RE: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3
To:
[email removed]
CC:
[email removed]
juilie...this sounds good...please send me the vin# so i can check the carfax history on the car. is everything working properly on the porsche GT-3??
william
--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Julie D. Garver <[email removed]> wrote:
From: Julie D. Garver <[email removed]>
Subject: RE: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3
To:
[email removed]
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 2:08 PM
Hello William,
First please let me explain you the process of this sale and afterwards you can decide if you want to go with it or not.
As I told you in my first email, I recently got divorced. I got a new job and moved to Topeka KS for a new start. I'm in the city but my presence won't be necessary as I prearranged the deal with PayPal. The car is also in Topeka at the shipping yard, ready to be delivered. You benefit of free delivery, having it delivered at your address in less than 5 working days. Afterwards you will have 5 days to test and inspect the car prior to make any purchase. If by any reason you find something you don't like about it, you can send it back at my expense. If you are settled in buying it I will need the following details from you: full name, address, and phone#.
Once I have your info I am going to forward it to PayPal to get things started. After that PayPal will contact you with all the information that you need in order to buy it. This will be your proof that I am a covered and legitimate seller. Waiting for your email with the requested details.
Regards
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:05:56 -0800
From:
[email removed]
Subject: Re: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3
To:
[email removed]
CC:
[email removed]
please send a phone number so i can discuss the car.
thanks,
william
--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Julie D. Garver <[email removed]> wrote:
From: Julie D. Garver <[email removed]>
Subject: 2004 Porsche 911 GT3
To:
[email removed]
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 1:53 PM
Hello William,
I appreciate your interest in buying my car. The Porsche is in perfect shape, never been smoked in, without scratches nor dents, and it has never been involved in any kind of accidents. I legally own a clear title, free of any liens or loans,under my name. It has 36,127 miles, for sale at $23,500. The price is below the market as I recently divorced and I don't own a driver's license, therefore I don't need it, so I'm trying to sell it as soon as possible. If you have any other questions, or need more info, please feel free to ask.
wm:
i am very interested in your car...i am a private individual not a dealer...can you pleae call me or email your phone number...thanks, william
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Yep, pretty much anything mentioning a divorce situation is a scam. Came across similar scam on a 67 Corvette posted on cars.com. Posing as woman who got the car in a settlement and was just trying to move on......
It has been going on for a while in Autotrader, CARS.com and of course Craigslist.
A few years back I was looking at a BMW that was not priced too low but low enough to catch my interest. Turned to be a scam.
Last year I found an Audi in UTAH and posted by a DEALER. I posted on Audi forum for help and someone kind enough drove by this address. There was no dealer and of course no car.
For anyone looking for a car out of the area I will say its a good idea to post car and see if someone can check it out. There are a lot of great guys here that are legit and willing to help. At least I would...
I ran across this same scammer, listing a 993 C4s in mint condition for under $20K. It sounded like a scam to begin with, but once I got the email response about the "divorce" I knew it was.
Last week there was one for $21900, I replied "I wanted to buy it, I will send you a check for $25,000, use the rest to pay the shipper when they come to pick it up." No reply yet.........
Only 3 posting since October 2011..??????????????
Mugu
Mugu is a term used by the scammers
among themselves
to describe their intended victims. Roughly translated this term mean "big fool". I use this term to describe the scammers that fall for my "unbelievable" stories
That is a copy paste from a website I just visited.
I've recently been exchanging e-mails with "Julie" although the original ad listed "Nancy" as the owner. After her last e-mail, which was identical to the first one posted by William above, I told her that I have a cashier's check for $31,000 from a recent deal which did not go through (Julie's car is listed for $26k). I told her I would send the check, she could refund me the difference and I would pick up the car.
Not surprisingly, I haven't heard from "Julie" again.
It is getting to the point where the volume of those scam is so large, I wonder if it is not a conspiracy orchestrated by the national dealer association to bring down any kind of private used car sale !
The only way to find real private sellers is to aim for the overpriced cars
LOL
Yeah, I have to have another hobby to fill in the time when I'm not driving my C4 or working. This particular shoot had a number of "non p-cars" - Lambos, Ferraris, even a Rolls.
Hey guys, just a heads up but those cars.com and autotrader.com scammers aren't getting more bold. I just received the following from one of them via e-mail. I proceeded to phone the person up and he was more than willing to give me the VIN, furthermore I confirmed the address with him and he said "yes I will be there with all kinds of cars, we have a lot of selection". I looked up the place on
bing maps
and it's just an industrial park!
Good morning Mr.Ross Wesson,
My name is Ryan Davis,I am contacting you from Motors-Department Dealership on behalf of Mr.David Weber in regards to the 2002 Porsche 911 Turbo.We like to inform you that the car is still for sale. The asking price is $21,000.00 nonnegotiable.
Few words about the car it has only 79,638 miles was always garaged and the regular maintenance was done in time,it wasn't involved in any accident and has never suffered any kind of damage also this is a non-smoker car and the pictures bellow confirms everything I said.
Pictures:
http://imgur.com/a/cKFXv#0
If you need additional details please contact us back.
Ryan Davis
Motors-Department Dealership
www.motorsdepartment.net
Phone:+1([phone removed]
Email:[email removed]
Address: 4102 Bulls Bay Hwy
Jacksonville, FL 32219
hello all - i found a truck from this same company that i really liked. and im in the process of getting a loan from my bank. Has anyone done business with this company. i was able to contact someone to get the vin # and did a carfax report and everything seems to be good. Is everyone sure this is a scam?
here is the email he sent to me
"My name is Marion Hansen,I am contacting you from Marion-Cars Dealership on behalf of Ms.Marsha Lindsey in regards to the 2011 Ford F-150 Harley.We like to inform you that the car is still for sale. The asking price is $33,000.00 nonnegotiable.
Few words about the car it was always garaged and the regular maintenance was done in time,it wasn't involved in any accident and has never suffered any kind of damage also this is a non-smoker car.The pictures bellow confirms everything I said.
Pictures:
http://imgur.com/a/5xFD1#0
If you need additional details please contact us back.
Ryan Davis
Motors-Department Dealership
www.motorsdepartment.net
Phone:+1([phone removed]
Email:[email removed]
Address: 4102 Bulls Bay Hwy
Jacksonville, FL 32219
That's clearly a SCAM. The pictures of that truck are taken in front of Alan Vigil Ford, in Georgia. The website is obviously just a template with no info.
SCAM
Most scam ads have a first name only and no phone #, these are the ones to avoid. They just downloaded someones pics and information so they can send you pics and provide the VIN from they info they kept. The stupid low price should also be a tip off. The best are the ones that use the same pics in different ads with different locations and names with the same mileage and price so they show up next to each other when you search.
Now they're asking reasonable $$ for the cars, I saw one listed @$30k for a nicely optioned 02 cab. This was the reply....
[B]Hi Jeff,
The car is still for sale and the asking price is $30,000. The vehicle is located in Orlando,FL and it's registered on my name and the title is clean and clear. It has 35,950 miles.I work in the real estate business and I just sold my house and moved out.This is the last thing I need to sell because I don't need it anymore...I am very busy with my work and I won't not be able to deal in person,but I've already arranged the shipping and the title transfered anywhere in the US.We can use Escrow Management protection program for our safety and for payment I prefer to use an Escrow Management buyer protection plan.The financial part will be managed by them,which means that you will have 5 days inspection period before committing to buy the vehicle and a refund policy will be included.The deal will go strictly according to Escrow Management rules and policy.There are no other costs on this transaction through Escrow Management.
Let me know asap if you want to buy it.
For more pictures copy or click the following link:
http://imgur.com/a/18CFy
Thanks,
Lisa Bickley
P.S: Here's the VIN #
WP0CA29982S652881
so you can run a CARFAX Report just to make sure you know exactly what you're buying!!! [B]
Escrow Management buyer protection plan, that sounds problem free......
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