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They tested 21 tires and both the MPS and HTR were on the test.
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The current issue of Consumer Reports (November 2010, pg 52) just tested High Performance Tires.
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If his car is the one pictured in his avatar, I'm thinking the sizes recommend above won't fit.
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So confused reading all the reviews. Seems like Michilin Pilots are the top choice but are they worth the difference in cost??
Please help Santa souce the tires for my baby.
biggest question..... what do YOU plan on doing with your car....
for most street use the Sumi HTZR III's are a great bang for the buck tire....however I have have said many times, it price was not a consideration I would not get them next time....but for me price IS a consideration so I might end up with them again - do a search I dont think anyione has complained about them - esp for the price
No, the PS2s are not worth the cost; they're a good tire, but have been eclipsed by a number of other excellent performance tires and are mere 2nd tier now. The Sumis will give you slightly better performance for MUCH cheaper. The only drawback is they're a little louder. Dunlop Star Specs are another excellent summer street tire.
star specs are awesome but aren't made wide enough for 996 rears.
I was thinking about getting BFG KDW NTs. I've driven on them before on a friend's car and they are nice and about half the price of the PS2s.
Hey guys,
I only drive my car on sunny days and Sundays. I don't take it to the track. Any idea's on a good resonably priced tires would be appreciated.
+1 on the Sumi's. I'm not saying that these offer the same performance as the PS2's, but, I've done several DE's with them and the difference in track times is "negligible". The price isn't.
+2 on the Sumi's, as the consenus says. You can get (2) sets of HTR ZIII's for the cost of one set full of PS2's. For your occassional, fairweather use, they should suit your needs perfectly.
I'm thinking of going to 315's in the rear. The more rubber dragging back there the happier I'll be wiggling around the world. Just can't remember if the conti extreme contacts come in 315. Camber wear has me getting closer and closer quick.
I have Continentals ContisportII's, in between price of PS2's and Sumis.
I like the Continentals alot, but have not had any track days with them. Sumis will probably last longer.
Thta's a pretty bold statement. I think most would agree the Sumitomo HTR Z III represents a valus tradeoff vs. the Michelin Pilot Sport, but I've never heard anyone say that if money were no object that they actually select the Sumi's over the MPS. Additionally, on the Tire Rack web site the MPS has significantly higher user review ratings than the Sumi's.
Got any independent reviews you could publish that would back up your claim that the HRT will "give slightly better performance" than the Pilot Sports?
I had Michelins on an Audi TT, and they were the noisiest tires I ever had with less than 10k miles from new, and they were pricey then. I couldn't be happier with the Sumis I have now.
That's strange. That's one big reason I keep coming back to the MPS, it's one of the quietest high performance tires I've ever used.
So far on my 986 and 996 I've used, PZero's, Continentals, Khumo's, and Michelin's and none of the others even come close to the all around performance I get from the Michelins.
I did experience the HTR Z's on a students Cayman. In my opinion they don't have quite the ultimate grip of the MPS, but they did not seem noisy (hard to tell with a helmet and full throttle engine noise). The Pirelli PZero is the worst in my experience when it comes to noise. They are ok for the first few thousand miles and then they get progressively noisier through the rest of their life (to the point where I had to get rid of them despite the fact they still have useful tread left).
When I bought the car, the seller put new Hankook v12 evo's on. I've driven about 1200 miles on them and I think it's a great tire, and cheap! It's quiet, has good grip, great in wet/dry conditions, and half the cost. Seriously, no tire can have such a performance upgrade that would be worth that much extra money, imo.
I have the Sumis on my 996. They are very quiet and have a very good grip for the money. I had MPSs on my 95 993 and I absolutely loved them. They were excellent tires in the wet as well. Bridgestones, BFGs and many others I tried were really not good wet tires.
If money was no object, I would get the MPSs, otherwise the Sumis are a great tire for the price.
have sumis now.
having done 3 de events with limited driving, and street driving for the balance off use, the rears wore out after 14k miles.
the fronts are still fine.
just ordered another set of rears today.
pretty quiet, fair at best grip.
no idea how they are in the wet.
after this set, i'll probably scour the tire rack website for a different brand.
My rims are 17" so 18" I guess are out of the question. And yes, since my wife is my CFO the cost is of great concern. If it wasn't I would have had Pilot's on already.
It looks like the Sumiis are a good lower cost alternative. After all I only put 1200 km's on the car last summer. How bad could they be???
Thanks to all for the great info and advise.
Don't confuse cost with value or performance, there is not necessarily any correlation between the two. Here are Tirerack's test numbers for dry track performance in 2009 before they changed the test platform and invalidated all cross-test data:
8.67 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1
8.64 Yokohama ADVAN Neova AD07
8.64 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec
8.58 BFGoodrich g-Force T/A KD
8.39 Kumho Ecsta MX Extreme Performance Summer
8.30 Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
8.26 Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R
8.24 Sumitomo HTR Z III
8.23 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
8.20 Bridgestone Potenza RE050A Pole Position
8.15 Continental ContiSportContact 3
7.96 Yokohama ADVAN Sport
7.46 Hankook Ventus R-S2 Z212
7.23 BFGoodrich g-Force Sport
There seems to be a small margin of error to the numbers, given variations between the same tires in different tests. But they're clearly right up there with the top performers and by Tirerack's numbers are slightly better than the PS2. I don't know of anyone seriously competing on HTRZIIIs, but no way I'd spend the money on PS2s, not when there are so many excellent tires like Dunlop Star Spec and Hankook RS3 for so much cheaper. [If price was no object, I'd be sporting Hoosier A6s!] For strictly street use, you're never going to notice the difference in performance between HTRZIII any any of the others here, but you will notice the price difference.
I have Bridgestones 960's 18". Nice street tire, not for the track. They seem to last quit a while and provide quit a bit of grip. Great in the rain. Not rated to 180mph. But never got close to that anyway. I would recommend these, they are the quietest tire I have had on the car so far, I had Michelins, and Contis. My persepective the Michelins are overrated. Debating on trying new the Conti's DW good reviews.
Looking at the continetal extreme variety I can see an actual rain tire for race groves on them. Real tempting to me since we get down pours that I prefer to stay able to dodge the fools. One test showed .9 g's braking fron the tires. Snow and winter tires make me shiver thinking of them.
Remember to keep the edge to stay away from hydroplaning you can't be running a lower pressure in the tire. It lets the water build under the tire going lower pressures for sport.
The current issue of Consumer Reports (November 2010, pg 52) just tested High Performance Tires. They tested 21 tires and both the MPS and HTR were on the test.
The Michelin Pilot Sport finished 3rd and was one of the five "recommended buys". The HTR finished near the botton in 16th place and was not among the recommended tires.
The top score was a 82 (the Michelin and two other tires tied with this score) and the lowest score was a 70 (the HTR Z III got a 74).
The categories they tested were;
- Dry Braking
- Dry Handling
- Wet Braking
- Wet Handling
- Hydroplaning
- Noise
- Ride Comfort
- Rolling Resistance
- Tread Life
As I said, clearly the Sumi's represent a value choice over the Michelins, but it would appear that CR agrees that in outright performance the Michelins are indeed superior.
If I am not mistaken, Consumer Reports gets their info from TireRack. TireRack gets updated more frequently then Consumer Reports. So go to Tirerack website and read the surveys and tests. You may find the Consumer reports data out dated.
What were the results with noise, ride comfort, rolling resistance and tread life discounted? I'm sure some people care about these properties, but they have very little to do with performance, and IMHO shouldn't be included in a test of the highest performance street tires.
Also, I'm surprised Consumer Reports didn't include cost, ride "feel" and appearance in their numerical reviews like Car & Driver does; they're slipping!
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