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It just doesn't know the exact specs of different tires which is why I used the manufacturer specs instead and did my own computation.

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Check revs per mile of the tire

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The variance is 3%, I always check the Revs Per Mile of the tire to determine this.

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The variance is 3%, I always check the Revs Per Mile of the tire to determine this.

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Recommend ps2

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Now that is a high performance tyre but not N rated and skill demanding in the rain so I would probably still recommend PS2 with 315 at the back which will give you all the grip you could dream of.

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Run 225 if i went

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And I would run the 225 if I went with the MPS2 or MPSC.

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Run 225/40/18 at the front

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With a 295/30/18 you should really be running 225/40/18 at the front.

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The variance is 3%, I always check the Revs Per Mile of the tire to determine this.

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Recommend ps2

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Now that is a high performance tyre but not N rated and skill demanding in the rain so I would probably still recommend PS2 with 315 at the back which will give you all the grip you could dream of.

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Run 225 if i went

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And I would run the 225 if I went with the MPS2 or MPSC.

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Run 225/40/18 at the front

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With a 295/30/18 you should really be running 225/40/18 at the front.

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Run nitto i would do the 245/315 combo

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If I ran the Nitto I would do the 245/315 combo.

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It just doesn't know the exact specs of different tires which is why I used the manufacturer specs instead and did my own computation.

AWD cars and tires size importance?

Use rear rubber you have currently

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Gives you a reason to use the rear rubber you have currently!!

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Since I'm new to the world of AWD with the recent purchase of the Turbo, I am trying to find in the manual, etc, (with no luck) what the requirement are for tire size tolerances. For example, is the importance of front to back variance more important than staying within a specific window of sizing (diameter) on the single axle? What happens to the AWD system if the tire is too big or small? I just can't find any PCNA/PAG documentation on tire size variance tolerances. My car is delivered from the factory with the following diameters: F: 25.1" R: 25.0" My car as delivered from the dealer a few weeks ago with new rubber from the PO: F: 25.3" R: 26.0" I don't feel anything adverse but you never know.

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according to the dude in the pca website (I forgot his name, Joe something)..... no more than 4% diff f/r for the abs to start acting funny. Thats all i got...

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

It's not the ABS I'm worried about as much as the AWD system

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Its a mechanical AWD system via viscous coupling.... as long as the diff has good fluids you should be fine., very few has reported failure and the 4% rule appies to the awd setup as well. I have heard the 600hp+ TT has burned their coupling.... having abs issues. I think the abs is more of an issue than the front diff is concerned..... So when are you gonna convert to rear drive setup.

POST 5 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Never going to convert to RWD. Just hoping I am fine with the current tire diameter setup. It's the rear tire I am concerned about.

POST 6Original post

Dell The variance is 3%, I always check the Revs Per Mile of the tire to determine this. The front differential is the one to suffer the most and gets damaged easily if the radial speeds of the front and rear tires are unequal or way out of spec.

POST 7 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

So how do I know if what I have is acceptable or needs to be addressed?

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what size/brand of tires do you have now? According to your data (25.3 and 26) and my shady math you are at about 2.69% variance front to rear

POST 9 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

The 26" tire is 2.77% larger than the 25.3 The tires are Toyo Proxes T1R in 235/40 and 295/35. The published diameter by Toyo is what I listed.

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Dell, use this tire calculator to see if the rolling diameter difference between the front and rear is greater than 3%. http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

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its not so much of the difference between the stock rear tire vs the new rear tire, but the error between the front and rear tire..... optimally you want as close to 25" since thats what the designers had intended for the 996. But the error of diameter between the front and rear is also very important. plug you tire front and rear specs in this calculator.... on the bottom it will tell you the % error. http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html edit: 2.9% difference, between the front and rear. Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revs/Mile Difference 235/40-18 3.7in 12.7in 25.4in 79.8in 794 0.0% 295/35-18 4.1in 13.1in 26.1in 82.1in 772 2.9%

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That's a really good "generic" calculator. It just doesn't know the exact specs of different tires which is why I used the manufacturer specs instead and did my own computation. I'm still looking for PCNA/PAG documentation regarding this.

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Oh you can count on it! I already have this planned. Just need to order some Delvac.

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definitely going to be working the front diff a bit more with this set up, but it should be ok.

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How so?

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Dell - On my 2000 C4 the stock tires were 225/40-18 and 265/35-18. For the past 3+ years I have been running a set of PS2's 235/40-18 and 265/40-18 and have not had any problems. Tirerack has good info on the diameter of different tire makes and sizes. I did the calculations when I first got the PS2's and I think they were slightly more than the 4% delta. The critical (not sure how critical) delta is the difference between the fronts and the rears.

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Dell Ok, I may not know **** but here is my experience (not opinion) On my C4S (996). I had 315-25-19 and 245-35-19. According to the calculators they are pretty different: RPM: 825.3 and 807.7. You math nuts can figure the %. I had no issues in a year and a half. Yet I did all the right fluids etc. I had my 97 993TT with the STOCK tire size and the front diff blew up within 100 miles due to ****ty diff fluid (IMHO). It has 88k on it. I know, different systems. The 235-35-19 has an RPM of 816.6. I just ordered tires for my new C4S and went that route. Was it the smell of burning diff fluid from the 993 that pushed me to the better RPM? Who knows what the toxic stuff did to my brain by hey. This was my experience.

POST 20Original post

Quad is right. BUT I think the better fluids (I went Royal Purple) will handle the heat. Once again IMHO

POST 21Original post

My $0.02 From the perspective of the viscous coupling AWD system I don't think such small % differences from stock are going to create problems. When I had my C4 cab I ran 235/40R18 and 285/30R18 Yokohamas (OEM is 225/40R18 fronts) without problems. The Porsche viscous coupling is geared to always operate with a slight difference between front and rear shaft so no less than 5% torque is sent to the front axle. This is to reduce the time delay for torque to be sent to the front wheels when the rears wheels slip. So I would say any minor differences due to tire size is not going to matter much. I can't imagine that Porsche engineers would design a system that would be that intolerant given variations between tire manufacturers and reduction in diameter from normal wear. BTW, nice ride dood

POST 22Original post

Smack I think you are right: I can't imagine that Porsche engineers would design a system that would be that intolerant

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Thanks! Loving every minute in it This is what I am hoping. Of course, the next set of tires will be more "in spec" but these tires are BRAND NEW so I'd hate to toss them.

POST 24Original post

I would recommend 235/40/18 front and 315/30/18 back both available in N rated rubber and the difference is less than 0.2%. Your current rears will probably give before the fronts so when you swap out go 315/30/18 at the back. Gives you a reason to use the rear rubber you have currently!!

POST 26Original post

Michelin PS2 is my recommendation at that size. There is a PS3 coming out but I have not tried them.

POST 27 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

The 295/30 would be them more appropriate size in MPS2 and MPSC

POST 28Original post

With a 295/30/18 you should really be running 225/40/18 at the front. If you like Toyo you cant get a 315/30/18 T1-R but you can get a R888 in that size. Now that is a high performance tyre but not N rated and skill demanding in the rain so I would probably still recommend PS2 with 315 at the back which will give you all the grip you could dream of.

POST 29 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

And I would run the 225 if I went with the MPS2 or MPSC. If I ran the Nitto I would do the 245/315 combo. The T1R only comes in a 295/35/18 for the rear. They don't have a 315/30.

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