Mine is Official Too - FS 2004 C4S

Got my build order confirmed today for a 2/11 build date on my new 997TT. Very excited. Sadly need to sell my pride and joy. 2004 Carrara White C4S, Bull black leather interior, Sport Exhaust, Bose, CD, Carbon Fiber Short Shifter & brake lever, heated sport seats, new hidden radar/laser system, lo jack system, Stock wheels and/or 19" 2-piece kahn brushed stainless 5-spoke w/crest, car cover, and more. Cover Photo for Posche Club of America Spiel Magazine just a few months ago. 55k miles. Certified Pre-owned warranty transfers to next owner Like new/perfect condition - all maintenance records available. Seattle Area. PM me if interested.

GL with sale, Ms. Greta. If I didn't already have my C4S I'd be taking a strong look at your beautiful white one.

the white is absolutely stunning on the c4s - my fav color but i settled for ZZZzz arctic

Thanks. Everytime I drive my car I get honks and thumbs up and compliments. I have only seen one other white 996C4S up in the Northwest. I will miss it - great car.

The white is gorgeous on the C4S, best of luck with your sale - and enjoy the TT.

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However I am sure you will be able to find some solace, albeit small, from the Turbo!

The white is great - If I was in the market I would be all over that- so rare- BTW - anyone who gets a turbo before me I now dont like!

I was at the Porsche factory early this year and they told me that white was one of their least popular colors in the 996, while silver was the most popular. In the 997, white is one of the most popular while silver is one of the least popular. I agree the white 996 C4S is stunning, and white is making a resurgence.

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Wow, I was at the Porsche Factory this fall and they told me the same thing. I love having a rare car because it really attracts lots of compliments, but will just learn to deal with it when my new 997TT comes in white if I see another one in town! If I start seeing too many, well, that is what the 998 will be for!

Still for sale, is there a price?

Wow--white is one of those colors that clearly looks better on some cars than on others . . . and the C4S is one where it looks great!

PS: Wonderful license plate!!

yea i absolutely love the c4s in white. i saw greta's car at our local best buy and i was like wow that pops.

What is the asking price ...? I have a friend who is looking for your exact car.

LOVE the white! Good luck with the sale.

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I decided to let Barrier Porsche in Bellevue, WA handle the sale of my car. You can go on their website ( www.barriermotors.com ) to get details. Original sticker (which is with the car) was $100k due to all the options. I also added sport exhaust, radar/laser/diffuser, lojack and more. Ask for Greg Dickenson (he is handling the order of my TT) although everyone at the dealership knows my car because it used to be owned by the General Manager.

Good luck with the sale

68K with 55k miles. Yowsa.

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Its worth every cent too - most beautiful C4S you will ever see and drives better than any you will ever drive, sounds better than any other you will ever hear, had an original sticker of $100,000 AND comes with a 2-yr. Porsche CPO warranty. (the dealer set the price to our market here).

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ms. greta, i think you are a lovely lady, but the most beautiful? worth every cent of that asking price esp when it's been priced by barrier? it's like saying starbucks makes the best coffee in the world. anyways, can't wait for you to get your TT. Best, ben

Wow! Hope you get that price for it, GL on that Ms G. Tim is giving his away with no takers (??) Maybe I need to flip his car, lol. For that price, no insult intended, I would get a 996 TT, mint + lower miles, kind of like this. http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...d.php?t=113667

Good luck with the sale, you make my Seal Gray 2004 C4S, pretty much mint, for sale for $59,500 look cheap! And mine was never raced. I tend to agree with you that your car is worth that, and mine's worth what I'm asking. Unfortunately a lot of them are going cheap, finding a buyer that appreciates the car for it's condition is key.

Nice car - what a great excuse for a cross-country road trip! Suggestion: Next time, post a pic of a little old church lady next to it, not a hot racer babe!

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Thanks Ben - I am emotionally attached to that car. It really doesn't matter what price Barrier puts on it - if it doesn't sell I trade it in and save that portion of the 9.2% sales tax, so it will nearly be a wash. the other funny thing you said about Starbucks....... Did you know i work for Starbucks? I head up the new store retail development. I'll buy you a cup of coffee sometime!

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OK, just for the record, my car was never raced. That pic was taken at Barrier Days.

I have no doubt it is a very beautiful car that was well kept. I also think there is probably someone who will be getting a great car at that price. In my market you can almost get a 997 C4S for this price with that mileage. Heck I saw a perfect 06 C4S CAB with 22k miles for 73k with CPO just last week.

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Yes, that is the difference here - where you live in the country right now. I live in Microsoft land who cannot hire enough people and is adding several million square feet to our office markets as we speak. Barrier Porsche priced the car according to where they are selling here (see their website or Park Place Motors nearby and you will see our prices are much higher here in the Pacific Northwest - thanks to good economic times and lots of wealth). They are a great dealer though and take such good care of their clients. As with any dealer, there is room for negotiation built into the price though!

Cool you've got a build date for the new car. Too bad that Starbucks has become like Walmart though. You guys bought out the great family-owned Diedrich Coffee that had a lot of history, can't forgive that.

Congrats on your order for the new car, sincerely.....and I've mentioned before that I am partial to white...it's a stunning color, and the car definitely shows well, however for that price you can get an equally optioned 996TT X50 with less than 25K miles on it along with a CPO. We all love our cars, and develop an attachment to them....but the reality is that the market is soft, the economy is struggling, and as beautiful as that car is, it's going to sit a long time at that price. There's truth, and there's tact...and this is truth. Enjoy the new car....

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Good luck with your sale indeed (I applaud you for trying to make back your recent stock losses ;>)). It is a very pretty car.

Hope you are giddy w/ the new TT. You'll have to have a viewing day at the XXX some Sat. morning! (this statement will be interpreted very differently in other parts of the country!)

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Can't wait to show my TT at the XXX - LOL!!!!

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I am sorry about your coffee shop. Corporate America?!

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As I mentioned before, the dealer has priced the car. If it doesn't sell, I trade it in. Either way will work for me. Geez, you guys are so tough!

I just think it is fantastic that you are getting TT.... in fact I am just plain jealous. Enjoy Microsoft or Starbucks was my guess.......of where you worked.

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You will always get the honest opinions and facts from people here. No "sugar coating" done here!

somebody must really love your car to purchase it for that price and miles. last year i sold my mint condition 05 c4s with less than 20k miles for 65k. i know that certain markets can get more money for the same car, but the experienced buyer will look elsewhere and even travel for a better deal. i wish you good luck in your sale and its awesome your are getting a new tt soon...you will not have any regrets.

Ms Greta: As Tim said.....truthfully and in all sincerity....the guys/gals here call the shots as they see them. I can see that the responses were very polite and politically correct...but the underlying message was that the car is just plain and simply overpriced. We're not mean-spirited by any means....well, there will be a few threads and comments that are....but for the most part, the responses are an effort to provide honest feedback. Your new car will be all that you expect and desire, and I'm sure that you'll be "struttin' your stuff" in front of an awe inspired crowd of envious onlookers. Your old one will have to come down to a realistic level. I realize that the same dealership who is selling you the new one is listing the old one. There can be a bit of conflict there.....by that I mean that since they sold you a new one, they'll post your old one high in order to keep you happy and give you hope that you'll recoup top dollar to apply towards the new one. Then when it doesn't sell, they'll bring you the sad news that it's going to have to come down....that way they have no culpability....the fault is the market....but they knew all along that it was too high. C'mon...this is what these folks do for a living....they know what the market will bear. They're not a non-profit organization. Real estate salespeople do the same thing with homeowners who expect to get unseasonably high prices for their homes.....but all along.... the objective of the agent is to get the listing, then adjust the price later when the house sits with no offers. In all sincerity....best of luck. Chuck

You guys are all great and I don't mind the honest opinions. I had done my research and I understand what prices are doing in other parts of the country. My has only been at the dealer a few weeks and I appreciate that they are trying to get top dollar (and it is priced to our local market). The good news is that my new car won't be here until mid-April probably, so they have time to try. I trust the guys at Barrier and have known them for a long time and understand how the business works. They will take care of me one way or another. will let you all know what it finally sells for.

OK, let me get this straight.......... Microsoft employees are computer guys that pretty much revolutionized price discovery accross the world......on the internet. =They know how to shop.......for everything except for Seatle Houses. Ebay, the new price discovery mechanism for used (read=completed auctions) Porsche prices has many 2004 C4S prices in the low $40s,000 (I own one with low miles/highly optioned). And a senior manager from Starbucks (I head up the new store retail development) is ready to trade up to a Turbo thinking they are getting 68% of the sticker price in trade in or private sale.....................the dealer is going to take care of you???/...........Wow, I thought those Wall Street guys pumping sub prime deals accross the globe were high! Hey, I am trying to be nice but I hate to see someone convert money into mistakes with the help of another "consultant". I cannot be the only one here who has had a good month and blundered into the dealer of dreams..........

Hey - who would ever have believed a $5 cup of coffee? Maybe her car comes with a lifetime supply of venti lattes (though the way the stock is going, I would get as many up front as possible)!

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Yes, all goes to show that there are many idiots out there that will pay too much for something pretentious and overhyped. With those kind of consumers, may as well go ahead and advertise for full sticker price, I'm sure that someone in the area will bite... afterall, if someone will pay $56K for a flood damaged Porsche at Barrett Jackson, then there's no realizing the stupidity of the market. Good luck on the sale.

Ms Greta: You appear to be a very gracious person. You are at a corporate level....most likely dealing with your counterpart at the dealership who is similarly placed within the corporate structure there. You enjoy a good peer-level relationship, and they value your business along with the fact that you're a good source for word-of-mouth advertising. I don't quite understand your statement that the car is "priced to our local market". Are you saying that your local market (Seattle area) supports a pricing threshold that's a good $10K over the rest of the west coast? I would hope that what you are paying for your new car isn't "priced to our local market" too. I won't mind if I have to eat a whole crow over this, but there needs to be a reality check in here. I went and looked at some of the examples that the guys sent as a comparison for what's currently on the (other) market...one being that TT with 11K miles and I found the comparison somewhat incredulous. Like I said...I sincerely wish you all the best....and I think there's been enough said. Enjoy your TT, I certainly enjoy mine.

Ok, first of all I am not senior management (yet), I oversee the Northwest territorie (although with the upcoming re-org, could end up being much more). Be nice to me and I will buy you all your favorite Starbucks beverage when I see you at a Porsche event someday. Next, even though the dealer up here priced my car (not me), I went onto AutoTrader and pulled up ever 2004 C4S in the country last night. Only 36 of them in the country on Autotrader. Priced $50k to over $70k. Only one in Northwest that was priced slightly higher than mine (cab and lowermiles). All the others were in the depressed markets around southern Cal and the midwest and east. Second, not sure about the comment that Microsofties don't know how to purchase houses, but another piece of info..... Seattle housing prices are still increasing, we are one of only 3 cities in the US where residential is still appreciating (although slower than it was earlier). Downtown Bellevue has 15 cranes in the air for new Microsoft buildings, multi-million dollar condos, and office space for tech and bio-tech, etc. growth in our area. We have been very fortunate to be somewhat insulated from what most of the country is going thru. At Starbucks, we are slowing way down, yes, but we are still hiring about 350 people per day worldwide and the company is very strong. We are also building new office structures in South Seattle to keep up with our growth. Your judgements about the pricing is not relative to the Pacific Northwest. I wish Jason or some of the other Northwesterners would step up and help me out here!! LOL Lastly, I have worked for Starbucks for only three years but have been in corpoate real estate for over thirty years. Unlike many, I have saved and managed my money wisely and actually live modestly. When we became empty nesters a few years back and then my entire family passed away, I decided it was time to do something for myself, so the judgements are not necessary when you are unaware of any of the circumstance or do not know those you are judging. Life is short - enjoy it.

I'll take a caramel frapp. venti please

Ms Greta: My apologies in all sincerity. You shouldn't be made to feel that you need some folks to step up and support you. There is no effort here to create any sort of spectre of an adversarial environment or to make you think that you need to in any way defend your corporate status or real estate background. The intent here was simply to point out what some of us felt was a bit of an excess. I did not do any sort of geographical comparison of the going prices of your used car market...and in truth, I think enough has been said. I'm sorry if you felt as though we were ganging up on you, and I'm a sucker for a good cup of coffee . I look forward to seeing you on the TT boards hopefully sometime in April after your car has been sold.

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I am so sorry to hear that! What a terrible tragedy!

Ms Greta, +1 re:..."judgements not necessary..." and I too, am very sorry to learn of your loss. Your post put "car pricing" into perspective. In the big scheme of things who thinks he/she paid exactly what they should have paid or sold something for exactly what it should have sold for? I bet with the prior years in real estate you have plenty of stories regarding this. Basic rule of negotiating... Start high and imply flexibility.

mercy triumphs over judgment ms greta, here's coffee that i like and yes you and i traded emails before so i know you're an sbux gal (some cute chicks work there) www.stumptowncoffee.com i'm a bit of a coffee snob just as i am with car wheels

I live in Houston and with the oil industry our market is not depressed at all. That said literally you can get a 997 C4s Cab with low miles in the low 70's. 996 C4S are in the 50's. Maybe we have more supply here too, but our local economy is by no means depressed. Again I really hope you get what you want out of this car. Good luck!

Thanks guys for all the nice feedback. What can I say, I am emotionally attached to my car so I have been acting defensive, and no, I am not getting any discount on my new 997TT. I was fortunate enough to get one of the eight build slots for a 2008 coupe from my dealership and the price is not so important as the enjoyment I will get from the car. I spoke to my buddy Jason (atomic80), and he agreed with all of you that the dealership has priced my car too high. So I eat the crow. Give me your orders - your favorite Sbux beverage will be on me when we meet someday! (I'll be in Birmingham at the Porsche Driving Experience in May - can't wait!) I don't plan to track my TT - no insurance coverage in Washington and getting too risky at this price of car. So, will do other venues to take care of my need for speed. :-)

greta, i know u love barrier but if they gave you any indication that you should be "fortunate" to get a spot for a turbo... well they're making u feel VIP when anyone who wants to pay can get a turbo slot. seriously don't give them more credit than they deserve. they're a business just like sbux where profit/revenue rules. and mr. barrier is enjoying his yacht someplace sunny in the world. thx to you and I and others giving him our business. the tougher biscottis are the gt2/gt3s. the turbos are easy to order. but even then you can get any 911 u want easily just bring cash. the really challenging ones are the new ferraris. 1-2 year wait for anything pretty much.

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Me too on the coffee. I don't drink Starbucks- waaayyyy too over roasted. I roast my own coffee. If you are ever interested in trying it (the difference is amazing) check this out: www.sweetmarias.com Starbucks roasts the life out of their coffee - could really be almost any bean. Yuck. Btw, I see Stumptown uses a Clover! Awesome. The clover is basically a fully automatic french press that allows for customization at the grind, dose, temp and extraction levels. Amazing. Have you tried it?

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That is very interesting. Starbucks is actually testing the Clover in some of our Seattle stores right now. French Press coffee is for sure the best way to have your coffee made - do that at home myself. If you don't like the dark roast, try our Breakfast blend - that is much milder and you may enjoy it more. I'll check out Sweet Marias someday.

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Well I passed on everyones comments to Barrier today and they reduced the price of my car to $63k which I know everyone will still say is too high, so save the comments, ok! They said nothing is moving right now with our terrible weather the past few weeks. Ben, there is something more about Barrier and the reason why I am very loyal to them - but it would not be appropriate to post. Someday when I meet you I will tell you more. Don't let your imagination wander - nothing like that! Bottom line is still that I cannot wait until I get my new 997TT!!!!

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Great to hear about the clover. I hope it makes it to NYC! Roast actually has nothing to do with how "mild" the coffee is. That should do with the flavor profile of the bean...say Costa Rican Dota versus Ethopian Harar. Roasting just masks the bean flavor by adding that over carmelized, burnt taste to any bean - the way using new toasted oak barrels masks the flavor profile of wine. A properly roasted (city +) Yirgacheffe is very bright and flavorful. Those flavors go away as the coffee is over roasted. Anyway...honestly best of luck with your car. I would love to trade up on mine but just hate the idea of the beating I would take on value...maybe a few more years.

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Greta, just so you know, the pricing thing was not about "eating crow" but rather about letting you know that some (many) of us thought it was priced unrealistically high. We are here to help each other out whenever we can. I am sure you are going to enjoy the TT. You do need to post some pics here on the 996 Forum when you get it.

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sounds like i could learn a thing or two from you. i'm just a novice drinker that is begining to want to love the details of it all. i only order doppio espressos at the quality shops like stumptown. it's fragrant and just really good. it's like chocolaty looking! down it and go. french press... man i get a crazy buzz from a mug of that. i stick to the shots.

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looking forward to running into you someday! and yea sbux man... really cool position u have there. greetings from miami beach, Ben

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What he said. A nice analogy I like is: think of steaks. If you've got filet mignon you don't order it well done, you order it medium rare, or rarer. That's why the best beans are roasted at a medium (or Vienna) roast. If you've got some tough, grissley cut of meat, first you marinate it to give it flavor (flavored coffees) then you cook it well done (dark roast). Where do the "reject" beans end up? Flavored and Italian roast coffees...

Good to hear something positive about Barrier Porsche. My friend, fellow dentist. Went in, told them he wanted to buy a cab, guy wouldn't give him the time of day, wouldn't unlock a car to see the interior. They made him sign an info card, he did not list his occupation. He gets pissed at the 30 something salesman for his horrible customer service, leaves.... next day, they call him "Hi Dr. " They googled his name, found out he was a dentist, and tried to get him back in. Short story long, he did end up buying a new 997 cab there, because he had a patient who was affiliated with Barrier and they smoothed things out. At 12k miles, clutch goes. They wouldn't give him any break on it. This is a guy who paid cash for the first car, and let them know he wanted a turbo. On principal, he went up the chain at porsche and got some compensation for the clutch job. He says it drives completely different, something wrong with first clutch, wasn't him screwing it up. He did order the turbo from them.... I'm scared to go there in fear that I'm gonna get treated that way because I don't show up in a suit and I look young. Dealerships stink, plain and simple. Don't care what kind of car they sell. I had a land rover D90 and a RR, same treatment at the dealerships there. Greta is correct in the that things are priced too high here in seattle. It's only $1200 to transport a car from Atlanta to Seattle, I'm not gonna let proximity be a factor in determining where I buy the car. Mike

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What an odd experience. barrier treats him like **** yet he still gives them business 2x over (cab, turbo). young and in a suit to get attn when an older gent likely has the real cash. no one wears a suit in tech casual seattle. just an odd scenario u put up there. i had no trouble getting a test drive on that 997 turbo and i dressed like a punk **** rapper wannabe bellevue 20-something. LOL sorry to hear man and you are good to go with your strategy. i'll look at the west coast all over for the right car (and i did - SF and drove it up what a marvelous experience).

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Mike, first of all I am so sorry you had a poor experience at Barrier. I know everyone there really well and they are all great guys. I think they get quite a few people in there who just come to drive a Porsche and are not serious buyers but that is no excuse. Quite the opposite of the hard sell or swarm of salespeople at some dealerships - I hate that too. Thanks for telling these guys that our prices are high here! I knew sooner or later someone from the NW would verify what I have been trying to say. Let us all know when you get your turbo. We have a group of northwesterners on 6speedonline.com and we will be doing some turbo get togethers this spring and summer. There is also Cars & Coffee tours for all makes of cars on the weekends. Look forward to meeting you Doc.

Its a beautiful car. GL with the sale and post pics of your new TT when available...

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Well yes and no. You are talking to an official "Coffee Master" here! You are correct in that every variant of coffee bean carries its own distinctive taste. For example, our Latin American beans have great balance, medium bodied, and have a clean finish. An African/Arabian bean will be more floral aroma, citrus or exoctic flavors. Asia Pacific bean produce a full bodied coffee with herbal undertones. THEN, we have our dark roast blends. These are typically carmally-sweey and smokey (Italian blend, French or Espresso) and produce a potent, bold cup of coffee. As you know, Starbucks also has a big line of multi-region blends. The ROASTING process, which is different for each bean and blend (we have specific number of minutes for each) is to bring our the flavor of that bean to its perfect potential. A milder coffee is due to the variety of the bean and the roasting process (which is number of minutes) to produce that mild cup of coffee. What is your favorite coffee? If you are ever in Seattle, perhaps I can take you on a tour of our TOP SECRET roasting plant. It is quite the experience to go see our process - as precisioned as watching a Porsche get built (OK, no, not really). Hope to see you at a Cars & Coffee tour someday.

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ms. greta could i take u up on that tour? cuz at this point, i don't know how you can be a credible coffee person if you're trying to sell us on the taste and quality of sbux coffee. it's like say mcdonald's sells good burgers. they don't and sbux does not sell good coffee for us coffee snobs. u know what i'm saying?

I gotta disagree on this one Ben. I am a bit of a coffee snob, and I thinkSbux is pretty dang good for some things. Not so much at others. McDonalds sucks at everything including that new ad with that little kid with the big *** boom box. I want to break something expensive every time I see that.

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i don't watch much tv so haven't seen that comm. we'll just have to agree to disagree. the only thing i like about it and this may well give credit to ms. greta... is how convenient it is to find since there are so many of them and the decor is clean and spacious. their coffee is high volume, low quality. ms. greta, i actually used to work at the sbux at uvill for about 2 weeks.

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Ben you crack me up - and I have come to learn your style and appreciate your unique opinions. Perhaps you can appreciate that I am very loyal to those who are loyal and good to me - including my employer, those who work for me, Barrier, and so on. I think you will also be seeing some very positive changes in Starbucks over the next year now that Howard is back in charge.