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YOUR RESEARCHNew to 996 need advice
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Educate yourself, get the car inspected before purchase (PPI), and enjoy.
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I'm planning on using my P-car as a DD and that appears to be a favorable factor (these engines like to be used).
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As an alternative, last time I bought tires, I used Tirerack.com and had them shipped to All German - they have a Hunter machine, and did the fitting and balancing there.
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Since they are only one year apart, the options and condition of each car is probably the more important thing here.
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Brand new member here trying to get educated before purchasing my first 996. Looking for some veteran input to these questions:
1. Is it better to get an older 996 ('02) w/ less miles (43k) or a newer one ('03) w/ more miles (49k)?
2. In
general
, how many miles before the clutch has to be replaced and how much does that cost?
3. Sports Suspension: For the "average" driver is it worth it? How's the ride, any extra maintenance, hassles w/ scraping, resale value, etc.
4. How much do 18" tires run?
1. PPI is most important. The diff of 1 yr and 6K miles is nothing.
2. YMMV
3. Depends on what "sport" suspension.
4. To do it right, running a set of PS2's will set you back about $1400 but there are cheaper tires out there. You get what you pay for.
ps. ad has been stated, check out the buying guide.
1) depends on condition, get a PPI
2) depends on how the car was driven, they could last 1000 miles or 100k miles
3) depends on you, test drive a couple of them first
4) depends on brand/quality of the tire, they could run from $800 for a set of 4 all the way up to $1500 check
www.tirerack.com
Welcome to Rennlist.
1. Which is better: It is hard to say that one is "better" than the other. Since they are only one year apart, the options and condition of each car is probably the more important thing here. It really boils down to which one YOU like better.
2. Clutch: Many here have gotten 70K to 80K + on the original clutch. Some have had to replace the clutch at 40K miles. If the previous owner was good with a clutch, then maybe it will last 60K +. Cost is about $1,400 - $1,750 (includes labor) if I recall correctly.
3. Sports Suspension - there are different Porsche and after market suspensions so that one is a little harder to answer. The ROW M030 Porsche suspension is about 1" lower that the USA stock suspension and many like it. Makes the car feel more planted to the road.
4. Tires: Depends on the brand and size. For a good tire with a Porsche "N" rating (you will have to search for that topic - search is your friend), you can expect about $1,200 to $1,600. The fronts last about twice as long as the rears. Depending on the tire and your driving habits, the rears will last anywhere from 10K to 20K miles. YMMV.
Again, welcome to Rennlist. If you want opinions from the "inmates" about a specific car (or two) post the link here and you will get some feedback.
Welcome to the forum!
As you're in San Diego - you might want to use All German Auto to do a PPI on any car you're looking at.
They are a pro indy shop for Porsche - great guys.
All German Auto
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home page
www.allgermanauto.com
service Camaron
manager Martin
work 1327 Simpson Way
Escondido CALIFORNIA
Local Discount Tire stores (Encinitas/O'Side) have always been able to provide great pricing on tires, and quality fitting.
As an alternative, last time I bought tires, I used Tirerack.com and had them shipped to All German - they have a Hunter machine, and did the fitting and balancing there. Easy and cost effective.
1)
02 or 03
: get the newest car you can afford. With the market tanking lately, and luxury car owners shedding their excess baggage, there are sweet deals to be found. Don't forget that a 2003 car is still 6 years old now... You can try to get a CPO or consider an after market warranty - thoughs on the warranty vary here.
2)
clutch
: driving styles vary, so this one really depends on you, and the previous owner. I was able to get around 40k-50k miles (which includes track miles). Not sure if that's lucky or unlucky...
3)
Sport suspension
: depends on what you want to do with the car and who's going to be in it. For family and DD, the sport suspension will take away the cushy feeling. For track and spirited driving, sport suspension will take away the cushy feeling
Note that there are many variations of "sport suspension" out there.
4)
Tire Cost
: Around $1000. Some a little more, some a little less.
5) The ultimate buying guide will really help.
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-td
Yeah, we're locked in our cells and don't get out much.
We appreciate (a) pics or (b) links to online listing.
Kind of like our version of a movie and popcorn.
Don't worry, Tim won't buy the car you're looking at because his Honda is loaded, and so is he.
Damn, we are all pretty much giving him the same responses so I guess we heve either been collectively "brain washed" or there is a method to this madness.
Hell, I even agreed with Dell, and you know much I HATE it whan that happens!
These are all good questions. Starting with the first question, PPI and your impression in your test drive along with condition of the car will be the deciding factors. Regarding the clutch, this is very subjective to the manner the car is driven and how the car was driven by the previous owner, cost in the neighborhood of $1800.00. Sport suspension for the average driver is not a main factor; however, if at a later date you begin attending DE events a sport suspension will be good to have; conversely, you may find it challenging in not scraping the car. Lastly, a good set of tires will cost in the vicinity of $1700.00. This is a good time to purchase anything; however, you must consider any budgetary constraints. Porsches are not economical to maintain and God forbid you need any type of repairs. Hence, if maintenance costs are a major consideration, don't buy this car.
I have a spreadsheet that I put together to help me compare the financial aspects of one car vs. another that I will post as soon as I scrub the actual data (to protect the innocent). One thing that I found was that a private party purchase wasn't necessarily cheaper than getting a CPO car from a Porsche dealer once you factor in tires, brakes, etc. and the cost of a third party warranty. Over a number of years, the difference might be just a few thousand dollars.
To be clear -- in my case, I decided to purchase from a private party and pay for the new rear tires (in a few thousand miles) and warranty (as soon as I can).
IMO,
Forget the warranty. Take the 3 grand that you would spend on it and put in in savings. You seem like a smart guy (you bought a 4S) and I'm sure you can fix most problems yourself. I would bet that over the next 3 years you won't spend more than $1500 on fixing items that would have been covered. Let's face it, the Warranty is gambling. You are betting that your car will blow up and they are betting that it won't. Usually they win.
I prefer when the odds are in the player's favor.
Thanks for the advice. I've been thinking about the warranty mainly because this is my first P-car. I'm sure there are a lot of threads here on this topic that I can read through to help me make this decision.
Considering the prices of private party 996s these days, how could one go wrong? Educate yourself, get the car inspected before purchase (PPI), and enjoy. Anyone who has purchased a 996 in the last 3 months, congratulations you are a winner.
I did a private party purchase when I bought my 99' 996, and have only done very minor repairs, and routine maintainace to date. After 28 months and 10k miles, I'm well below the cost of an extended warranty or CPO, even if I included the few 'mods' that I've done to my Porsche.GL with your choice.
The one case that would justify an extended warranty would be engine failure. I have a friend with an '01 C2 cab who needed his engine replaced to the tune of $16k. His car sat in the shop for many months until he could come up with the cash to pay for the repair. I'm planning on using my P-car as a DD and that appears to be a favorable factor (these engines like to be used). Still - $3k I could stomach to avoid $16k 3 years from now. It seems hard to say how often this happens because negative events are discussed more on the forums than cars that just work.
It is much better NOT to buy a Porsche, but a Camry Hybrid...or (Tim) an accord hybrid....more space less worries, better mileage...modern design and a new one instead of an 5-8 yr old P-car....just my 2 cents.
But seriously get the newest latest with the least amount of mlieage!!
The die is cast.
I guess if it doesn't work out, then I'll be able to buy a couple of new American made cars for the price of one engine replacement. And to think I started my car quest a few months ago thinking about what else could be purchased for the price of a Prius.
LOL - OMG !! I have flown airplanes, been around boats and cars all my life, the first time I ever got sick in a car was a couple months ago when I drove a buddy's prius to go get him... both me and my son almost tossed cookies.... what a POS !! It was SOOO disconnected from the road and the body swaying was nearly too much to handle... no wonder people in those always cut you off and change lanes back and forth, they are about to throw up inside thier cars!!
Talk about "distracted driving"..... no cell phone needed, but I could use one of those bags with the tie top please!!
My wife and I rode with the Real Estate agent in her Prius when we were looking for a house in Dallas. My wife was really nauseated by the end of the 4 hour stint. They do have terrible ride..... and they are fugly.
BUT Tim I think the Prius looks VERY cute......(of course not my words but my wifes.....still don't understand her taste since she made (yes MADE) me buy an Escalade.
I never understood the Prius must be the ugliest car on the market (right now the Saturn looks better!!)
Why buy a prius and not another Hybrid (like an escalade hybride..LOL)
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