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YOUR RESEARCHFerrari smarter? Or do they care much more about how their car sound?
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However, this has been around for a long time...my grandfather had a Cadillac in college (early 20's or so) and it had a way to move levers or valves to dramatically change the exhaust note.
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It's interesting to hear about how high performance manufactures have been putting valves and such on exhausts to change the sound.
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As we were sitting out on the patio of this up-scale eatery a bright yellow Lambo Murcielago howls by taching up in third gear and running all of 35 mph.
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However, this has been around for a long time...my grandfather had a Cadillac in college (early 20's or so) and it had a way to move levers or valves to dramatically change the exhaust note.
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As we were sitting out on the patio of this up-scale eatery a bright yellow Lambo Murcielago howls by taching up in third gear and running all of 35 mph.
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So I have owned my Ferrari 360 for 6 month now, everyday I am still discovering interesting design approches that I think Porsche should adapt.
One of them being in the exhaust system, the Ferrari factory stock exhaust system meets all Euro drive by regulations but in the same time maintained the old school famed Ferrari sound.
How did they do it?
(1). A variable exhaust system operated by vaccum determined by RPM. I know the 996 have a similiar sport exhaust system, but the Ferrari system was designed from the ground up with this in mind, unlike Porsche's afterthought.
(2). The variable system works after the system is started, so basically the exhaust system's default mode is in the wide open mode "loud", so that's why Ferraris have the initial loud bark on start up, as soon as vaccum builds up the valves closes and car quiets down. Perfect for the wonderful start up sound!!!
(3). After 4500 RPM the valve opens again, and then the exhaust is routed through almost a straight pipe system. So.... wonderful sound.
Just a thought.....
Took the wife out for a bite to eat on the posh side of town last night. As we were sitting out on the patio of this up-scale eatery a bright yellow Lambo Murcielago howls by taching up in third gear and running all of 35 mph. You should have seen the faces on the people who heard it but didn't see it go by. You would have though it was Godzilla's legendary bellow. Had a hard time explaining to "She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed" that it wasn't the cute little waitress I had suddenly gotten a chubby for...
I've heard some good tubis, and i've heard some bad. The Capristos I've heard were all OK. But I agree with the OP, Porsche really should only come with a sport type exhaust, vac or rpm-solenoid driven I don't really care, but they should put in some work.
"Taching up" - as in gaining revs, not "taching out" - as in hitting rev limiter.
I've had the extreme pleasure of hearing a number of high spirited Italian L-2s, V-8s and V-12s through after market exhaust systems. Though very different from each other they have the same effect on me. No wonder Viagra begins with a V and sounds Italian...
I guess we must agree to disagree. The 430 is the first stock exhaust that to me Ferrari has gotten right. With their previous modern cars (both v8 and v12) a proper aftermarket exhaust really allowed the car to sing. This is most evident on the 355.
I'm with you there...by no means did I intend to imply
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Ferrari exhausts are better than those systems you mentioned. With the 430, and the 360 however, I can identify a stock Ferrari coming down the street without even seeing it.
I had dinner the other night with a guy who has an Aston Martin Vantage. He told me it has an electrically controlled valve that keeps the exhaust in subdued or full song mode, at higher rpm. It turns out that the valve circuit runs through a single fuse, so he pulled the fuse.
Now it's full song all of the time.
His opinion was that Aston designed it this way deliberately.
Rinty
$$$$: Porsche makes a great car. Ferrari makes a great car that costs a lot more. With that you get more here and there. Plus the number of cars they build is few and that drives the cost up as well. I love the Ferrari and if I had the funds would have a 430 today. Since tracking is my #1 issue Porsche GT3 works for me.
My next door neighbor has a DB9 and when he fires it up the sound is awesome but when he back out of his garage and drives off it very subdued, not silent by any means but not particularly loud. It only does the "bark" when you first start it up...it sounds great, and it's a gorgeous car as well.
I think the Vantage symphony kicks in at about 4,000 rpm. I've always liked the sound of a V 8 under load. My neighbour's Audi RS4 sounds good too.
Rinty
I think Porsche's options culture is the problem. PSEs sound great, and regardless of actuation (vac/electronic etc) they should come standard. The simple fact that the silencer bypass/mod to the stock Mk2 cans is pretty indistinguishable from a PSE (to most ears) signals to me that this would not be a very expensive item to include with all the US market cars.
It wasn't until I drove a 3.4L Boxster S with standard cans back to back with my car and modded cans that I realized how significant the difference is (I only had my car a few days before modding it)
It's interesting to hear about how high performance manufactures have been putting valves and such on exhausts to change the sound. However, this has been around for a long time...my grandfather had a Cadillac in college (early 20's or so) and it had a way to move levers or valves to dramatically change the exhaust note. My grandmother said he'd pull up to pick her up and and he'd put it on "loud" mode...my
grandmother
thought that was pretty cool. They went on to own some cool cars that no one's heard of anymore! LOL
Jason,
Didn't know you still hand out on the Rennlist site, I guess we all just can't let go with the p-cars.. LOL!
I have Tubi N-GT exhaust on my car, sounds pretty awesome as it is. The only thing I don't like is the occassional poping when throttle is off.
Not to stray off topic, but has anyone seen shots of the up-coming Ferrari California? BEST looking Ferrari I've ever seen! Bet it sounds very nice too.
It does look good, however I think something just does not look right with the stacked exhaust. I can not wait to see 1 in person though as I hear the pictures do not do it justice.
The stacked exhaust is a fad started by Lexus with the IS-F and continued with the new Acura NSX. Sad to see Ferrari following a trend that will date the language of the car in a few years.
