Can Someone explain PCCB's to me?

I'm looking at the invoice on a car that came with PCCB's and the cost for the whole kit and kaboodle is just under $7K. Then I look at what the cost is of a SINGLE PCCB rotor from Porsche and the part is listed at just OVER $7K!!! Does that strike anyone else as odd???

You should do a search on the PCCB on the GT3 board. You can read all kinds of stuff about them. The durability is really suspect and the replacement cost as you discovered is unbelievable. There are some really "interesting" discussion over there. I am not trying to be a search **** I mentioned the search because there are lots of interesting threads over there on this very subject.

In comparison to buying a complete car and buying any of its components, the disparity is probably typical. I was once charged $20.00 for a rear seat belt bolt. PCCB's are unique in that the advantage is undectable and the costs are astronomical, leading to a cost/benefit ratio approaching infinity. The singe setting in which there might be an advantage (track use) is the singular setting in which they are likely to be destroyed while simultaneously destroying the warranty of the car, the reputation of the company, and the affections of the customer, This is a lose, lose, lose situation. Anybody who buys a car with PCCB's should switch to a steel system, and recapture their cost by selling the components to other unsuspecting victims of Porsche's misadventure. Seems to me that someone will buy each disk for $3000 which will recapture the purchase price of both the option and the aftermarket conversion. AS

I agree with AS, I would definitely go with the GT3/Cup car steel rotors. They are fantastic brakes! Porsche's PCCB's were one of those ideas that sounded great at the time and might someday be great, but not quite yet.

Is it just a matter of chaning the rotors/calipers, or is there a brake controller somewhere that needs to be changed too?

AS, You make an excellent (and quite humorous) point. As if the whole RMS thing isn't causing enough angst among Porsche owners, they decided stir it up some more with PCCBs... Think if you buy the Turbo S you can have them taken off?

Here is another kick in the shorts... it is cheaper to purchase the entire retrofit kit with 4 rotors, 4 calipers, pads, etc. than it is to purchase the 4 rotors alone. However, prices are coming down and should continue to do so as PAG ramps up production with availability across the model line. Right now remanufactured PCCB rotors are approx $4k each with a rebuildable core. As for track use, their durability is still suspect. I am curious to hear how the second gen PCCB rotors will hold up. They are supposedly rolling them out with the 997 and have improved internal ventilation.

Sloth, Any idea what the price would be to swap the 1st gen PCCB system for the 2nd Gen? What's the price on the 1st Gen retrofit kit? As I noted above, a single rotor from Porsch was listed at like $7,100. Who makes remanufactured PCCB rotors? At $4K that seems like a "bargain"

Sorry Ghost, I know nothing about the price or availability of the 2nd gen rotors other than what has been said in reference to the 997. The retrofit kits I have seen are all between $12k and $10k. I imagine that upgrading from the 1st to the 2nd gen would be a straight rotor swap assuming the sizes are the same (350mm). There are only a couple companies making the ceramic brakes of any sort, I imagine the company that makes them for Porsche are also doing the reman parts. Rotor only, you reuse your hat.

http://www.carnewal-europe.com/cpx_p96172.htm Now available from Gert for ~2895 euro....the GT2 Steel Brake Package...everything you require to replace the Ceramics on all FOUR wheels. [No affiliation...etc...etc]

A Stemer said it best! That is the most hilarious explanation of PCCB rotors I've ever seen...I though the exact same thing myself but nowhere near as funny. WTG!

My greater concern is that the PCCB fiasco seems to have triggered the changed PCNA philosphy which now prohibits track use if you want warranty coverage. Previously, track use was encouraged and frank acknowledgement of such use had no impact on warranty claims. Now, various posters state "it depends on your dealer". That doesn't work for me. The previous unspoken message was "Our cars are built so well that you can drive them hard all day without breaking them". Now, the message is that "We want you to believe that you have car which can be used hard, but if you try to prove that, you're on your own". In today's tightly patrolled world, the only place you can really use a Porsche is on a track. Whats the point of all the 0-100-0 stats, or the maximal g forces if we are barred from experiencing them? You really can't approach the limits of our cars on the streets, and now we can't on the track. Track use raised claims for PCCB's, which raised the ante for Porsche, which promptly folded. After 5 Porsches, my next sports car purchase will be heavily influenced by factory support for intended use. I might use a Cayanne to tow there. Sorry for the rant. AS

I think anyone who is willing to spend that much money on thoes brake are idiots. The cost is so much, the replacement is so much and how much better braking is it. Its not like all of you guys have the last name Andretti. The steel brakes works almost as good. I doubt you guys can get them to fade. To me the guys who gets them just wants that bragging right. Well you can brag all you want I rather have $7K in my pockets.

eddie, To be clear, I don't want the PCCB's but there is a car for sale that has them that has a cracked rotor so the question is either fix the one cracked PCCB rotor or swap everything to steel, or punt on the car altogether... FWIW, I drove a new C6 vette today and it has cross drilled steel rotors now, so maybe those vette brake fade problems have been fixed in the next iteration...

Were do you get that crazy idea Alexander

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