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The car can always be replaced, not the case for the people in it.
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I also suggest (and recommend) getting a CG-Lock BEFORE you get a racing seat.
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You will WANT to drive on streets (best are PS2's) to learn the car before you start running r-comps.
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I'm considering a 2000 996 with aero kit and need to know what should I consider doing to the car to see better performance in handling .I know about the safety gear, rollbar , 6pt harness , and seats. I plan on using it for DE's and trackdays at my local track. Any comments welcome
Terry
Man. ............ search is your friend.....
For starters think about suspension... PSS9's, Row, etc...... then brake pads...... Pagid or OEM....... then GT3 sway bars.. then MPSC or RA1's.. then .....................
Ugh.... the list will never end.......
Seriously... think about turning and stopping mods first if you intend to track the car alot.. ..........IMHO
and keep the shiney side up.
Yep do the suspension and brakes first. The bar, seats and harness are optional for DE's. But if you do go with seats make sure that they have the openings for the shoulder harness as that is the new rule starting in 2008.
I strongly disagree. Safety first if this is something you're going to do on a regular basis, since you'll quickly be going faster and taking bigger risks. Performance mods can obviously ramp the situation beyond what the stock safety systems are designed to handle. The car can always be replaced, not the case for the people in it.
Besides, it's best to get used to the car and establish a baseline before going nuts with the mods. How else would you know which are beneficial (besides the obvious ones)?
Yep my bad what was I thinking , safety first but I was just making a point that it 'wasn't' a requirement to have those items, that was all. But I am totally in agreement with you about having them as I am on the path to making my 'safer' for the track as I have already done the suspension and other mods that I need, now safety items will be done during the winter time.
Jim - are you an experienced track driver? If not, do nothing to the car. It will please you just the way it is. If you have experience then I would start with the Club Sport kit (GT3 seats, roll bar and harnesses - all direct bolt-ins) and a track alignment with a set of Michelin Cup tires. After that .. well someone said it above, give us your budget
As they said - safety first. Drive it stock for a few DE's. After that, you find that the U.S. suspension is too soft and the stock brake pads will wear quickly or even fade during a long session.
My progression for performance went like this:
SFR Brake fluid
GT3 Cup brake ducts
Pagid orange brake pads
ROW M030 suspension
GT3 Sways with TRG links
The car has stock wheels with PS2 tires - which handle great. My next upgrade will be the wheels.
Car feels very diff from stock now. The suspension was a huge change.
Good luck, be safe,
Adam
Budget? WTF is that? I started upgrading the suspension on my C2CAB and somehow ended up with a GT3. How the F did that happen? I'll tell you. THIS F'IN BOARD WILL CREATE AND UNSAFE SITUATION WITH YOU AND YOUR FUNDS THAT RESIDE IN YOUR WALLET.....IT'S CALLED SEPARATION!!!
As for suggestions. I would start on safety and MINOR mechanical changes.
1. Helmet obviously
2. A proper alignment (you'd be surprised how off these cars can be without knowing it until it's too late on the track!)
3. Dedicated track pads and fluid. You will destroy your stock pads and cook your fluid if you learn any amount of speed. You do NOT, I repeat, do NOT need to do anything other than pads and fluid as the OEM setup is phenomenal. Getting a stoptech, brembo, etc, setup is a waste of money.
4. Proper seats if you decide on harnesses with a rollbar. If you can't afford the whoel package (seats, harnesses, rollbar) then wait.
5. Tires are the LAST thing. You will WANT to drive on streets (best are PS2's) to learn the car before you start running r-comps. I was on street tires for several years until I felt totally comfortable.
6. Suspension bits when you are ready to start progressing.
7. And the most important thing?..............SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME, SEAT TIME,
I can get a 2000 996 w/ aerokit for about $24k leaves room for about 10-12k in budget. Have fun w/ my money. Winner gets a brew next time you're at VIR. Already have helmet and suit ,gloves and shoes.Also have a slightly used set of 18'enkei w/ mpsc off my caymans for track(don't know if they will fit.
Cosmo
This is easy. First the 996 will cost you $30k. As promised, we'll double your budget to $24k. That gives us $54k to work with. Send me check and I'll deliver my car to VIR where I'm pretty sure it still holds the track record for PCA Stock C (996s) at a 2:09.x. Problem solved.
If I didn't already have a GT3 and was in the market for a track ***** of a car, I will be all over Jim's like stink on crap. Something to think about COSMO!
Could not agree MORE. Even if you are experienced at track time, there is no way to know where you are going to go with the car if you don't know where it is now. Buy a safe car, learn to exploit it to its (and your) limit and then start adding once you get to that point. Otherwise you're just wasting money to look cool.
Just my .002 cents
These cars come out of the box ready to go. You don't *need* to do anything to make them go around the track fast. You will find that a MY00 C2 (even with street tires) is more than fast enough to keep up with most other cars on the DE track. I suggest running it stock for one season before making substantial time and money investments.
Keep in mind that a lot of things you can do to make a P faster on the track will make it worse to drive on the street. Most people don't care though, as most track mods also make the car look cooler.
IMO, after you get some seat time, you should upgrade your tires, as they are the physical interaction between your car and the road. I also suggest (and recommend) getting a CG-Lock BEFORE you get a racing seat.
-td <- just my $0.02
My experience when starting to track my car was:
1) Boiled brake fluid at Laguna Seca (not fun) -> Change brake fluid.
2) Weak standard brakes -> swap pads. Yes!
3) Rubish Pirelli tires as standard, squeals like pigs and no grip whatsoever -> mount PS2. Bliss.
4) Wander and uneven tire wear -> alignment (felt like getting a new car)
5) Wallowing car in corners -> new sway bars (GT3 with TRG drop links) , Nice!
Next step is suspension but I'll wait a while. GT3 brake ducts could be nice as well.
I have the best advice for you to start off with...
Learn to drive on a track first! That way you will know when the time comes how you want your 996 set up. You can't buy the skill of driving, you can only learn it or in some cases be born with it!
But hell, if you have already done that then you should def start with the ssk, I prefer the Porsche one. Then do suspension, tires and all that safety junk!
After all this, you'll probably see me buzzing around in your rear view on the track! Enjoy!
my buddies got me into 8 trackdays this summer and had to cxl the 2 day course at barber w/ porsche sport driving school due to shoulder surgery. i started w/ a cayman s
thx
cosmo
Terry,
I tried to call you earlier. Besides whats already mentioned above, if its going to be dedicated track car, for suspension, my vote goes to MOTONs
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=22
and talk to John Carey, he'll have tons of info for you than I could.. (John also had the Motons from one of the many several spring/shocks he have tried. Plus different brakes & anti-sway bars cofigs he had)
There is little to add here as the comments thus far are the fruit of MANY years of experience, expenditures, etc. I want to add that I met a PCA Instructor last weekend who drives a 996 C2 to the track with his track wheels on a roof rack and, besides the seats and harnesses, the car is TOTALLY stock. He drives the car extremely quickly (and safely).....just as a reference point.
