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I installed the porsche shifter yesterday after I got my car back from the dealer for some small things done etc.
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So I pushed the billet cups off but the plastic ones wouldn't come off so I used a punch to push them off from the hole meant for adjustment - the cups are resiliant so no problemo
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So I have it back together used the x in a phillips screwdriver to help push on the snap rings to save the fingers- nice, then I cleaned and installed the to fro adjuster.
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it's about adjusting the cables with the install?, which as per the only instructions I have from the b&m website, shows you remove the cables and then have to adjust them later.
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I bought this "B&M" short throw shifter on ebay told it was new in box. The bag of parts is unopened and the shifter is greazy, but it appears that the shifter arm is defectively bent? further the base is black, not blue, and has a P with a upside triangle around it and has numbers on it 02/04 0008. the main worry or qualm is that the shifter is supposed to be straight up when it comes out of the black base????? see pic. thanks
sweet, when I thought I got a defective part and got stuck with it, I actually got a factory part for cheaper than the b&M!!! Not a bad way to start a day.
yeah i know it was just a nice surprise to have a factory esc part for the price etc., and or getting something for cheaper than the regular b&m, as the porsche one typically costs what more than double?
Quote I got last week for the two:
PSSK : $499
B&M : $253
Apparently the extent of difference is the anodisation (blue vs black) and the Porsche insignia.....
Sweet deal Sean.
Bill, you can do better on the SSK prices, I bought my B&M from By Design for $225, I hear Foreign Affairs sells it for even less. BTW Foreign Affairs also sells OEM parts at great prices, I just bought some Litronics, might be worth a phone call. Other sources for the OEM part would be Sunset Porsche in Oregon and Suncoast (also sell B&M). FWIW in the latest Excellence B&M now boasts about being the official supplier to Porsche AG in their advertisement.
Hey I just saw Brandywine Porsche is selling new B&Ms on e bay for $199.95.
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Yeah their prices are great, I seem to remeber sub 200 pricess for the shifter a while back from them btw. Dunno if that was a limited deal or what however-
Hey guys I let the 6speed board know and forgot to post here but Brandywine has 19/25 SSK left in their Ebay auction for $199
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2465003540
Now that I looked at the picture again it does look like the lever is bent too much. Looks like a cheap knock off of the real B&M short shift. Sean, I will take it off your hands for $200 so you can buy the genuine blue B&M.
Doug - prices I am quoting were from Suncoast..so thanks for the headsup on Brandywine....what does puzzle is the perceived difference between the B&M install in yours, and the PSSK in RJ's.
Both TC and I were struck by the contrast, with the perception that the PSSK was easier & shorter....
yeah I had friends who did this years ago on imports for street racing. Since there is less leverage, it requires more resistance to throw it though, and looks kinda funny.
Bill, I'm not sure what you mean, it's the same shifter. The secret is to adjust the B&M per the porsche TSB for best results ( the Porsche instructions are better IMO). If you tried my shifter out today you would find the opposite.
Hey out of curiousity why is the shifter bent the the right so much anyways?, and u Tool Pants, do you have that tsb for the linkage adjustments???? thanks
SPR dont complain about the bent shifter! Imagine sitting on the other side with the shifter positioned for a LHD rather than RHD makes shifting interesting and slightly weird when you look at the stick
it's about adjusting the cables with the install?, which as per the only instructions I have from the b&m website, shows you remove the cables and then have to adjust them later.
The B&M install DVD we made last year shows how to install the shift on 4 different cars. The Porsche unit had not come out yet when we made the DVD.
A few months ago we filmed the install of the Porsche unit per the Porsche install instructions.
http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...t=0&#entry3248
There is no room on the DVD to include the Porsche unit as the 5th install. So I am thinking of deleting 1 of the 4 B&M installs and replacing it with the Porsche unit install per the Porsche instructions. I will first have to look at the video to see if it came out ok.
It makes no difference if you do it the B&M or Porsche way. You get the exact same result in the end. Just 2 different ways to do the same job.
The adjustment of the shifters, be it the B&M or the PAG TSB, is about the same. But as a practical matter, when you adjust the shifter per the TSB it is inherently tighter than with the b&M instructions. I have found myself tightening the set screw significantly more with the TSB than I ever did with the original B&M instructions, which are a little unclear IMO. When there is excessive slop in these shifters, I think it can predispose to missing the 2-3 upshift or hitting the gate so to speak. Since I adjusted mine per the TSB, compliments of Tool Pants
, I have had zero problems at the track.
As far as the cables go, it doesn't matter as long as they are marked or put back en block. Now I haven't installed as many as Jeff and Loren, but this has been my experience FWIW.
Doug,
Last week, when I had my '01 in for service, the loaner was an '01 Boxster with a B&M short shift. I loved the feel but I couldn't stomach the $500 price quoted from the dealer. I saw the ad on E-bay from Brandywine in PA and ordered this morning. The price was $199.95 + $7.50 shipping. They said that I should have it in a three days.
Can you also send me the TSB. My e-mail is:
[email removed]
Hi Doug,
WOuld you mind emailing me the TSB as well? I installed the B&M about 6 months ago and have been wondering if it is a little "off". Email is:
[email removed]
Thanks,
MT
Sean,
It's a neat little marketing ploy. The service tech said that they have installed quite a few short shifters since they put one in the loaner. In fact, when the service advisor called to say my car was ready, he asked how I liked the short shifter and if I wanted them to install one.
I could have sworn I did a write up of my experience installing the shifter yesterday in this thread, as I don't see it, here it goes again.
I installed the porsche shifter yesterday after I got my car back from the dealer for some small things done etc.
I took the console off- have done that about 5 times or so, on third console, no big deal. I initially followed the B&M instructinos as after reading tool pants' comment on the reverse/side to side lever removal I said screw that! I made a big mistake however and DID NOT mark the cables!!! Doh! I didn't even think about it as I was following the B&M instructions from the web and had the porsche adjustment instructions etc. Big mistake? Not really. So I poped out the colsole chipped off the tabs and removed the shifter and the shifter linkages, no big deal. I was pretty happy with how easy that was and how fast it was all going - was about 20 minutes in with old shifter out-. It took me about 5 min to figure out how to shove the new shifter in by pushing the white arm all the way up and then shoving the ball in there at the same time etc.
I cleaned the slide where the ball went and lubed it with the new grease- looks like lithium? In any event I tried for like 5 mins. like a moron to put the old square slide on the new ball, duh, the ball is the size of the square and bigger than the old ball, no need and not designed that way, so continued. Then I greesed the inside of the plastic cups liberally stuck them on and then greesed the inside of the billet cups and put them on, thats right, woops fogot to put in the washers! DOH! I was just too excited. So I pushed the billet cups off but the plastic ones wouldn't come off so I used a punch to push them off from the hole meant for adjustment - the cups are resiliant so no problemo
Then I regrease everything to make sure it's nice. BTW I cleaned every surface first then greased. I couldn't believe how filty it was in there and how greasy and dirty that yellow grease was!
So I have it back together used the x in a phillips screwdriver to help push on the snap rings to save the fingers- nice, then I cleaned and installed the to fro adjuster. It was filthy inside I had to make 5 passes to get all the black crap out of it. Then I regreased liveberally inside it as well as all over the ball and shoved it on by hand- nice
then I slap in the adjustment on the front and screw it back down on the car. First thing I notice, hey there is no room to adjust the damn lash with my allen key, folding type with like 9 in one-. No problem I moved the adjustement scew and nut to the back and begin
Now I was originally going to follow the tsb instructions for the lash setting, however I found a better way to do it.
As I lubed up all the parts that move in the shifter nicely. When I grabbed the black billet body and moved it to and fro it slid pretty easy. I did this while cranking in on the allen for lash. This resulted in exactly zero lash. Then I set the set nut. Uh oh, the billet cup started wanterding, nice key POrsche!!! whatever.
This did force me to redo the lash again, but since it pushes on the snapring on the other side against the plastic it held just fine. Just don't go agro on how hard to set the jam nut!!!
So the lash is perfect I am pleased. That's when I found out about the cables! ah crap!
As I didn't know where to start initially I started with the side to side one - and then the to fro - Wrong
Then I looked at the b&M pictorial for the to fro just for a general indicator where to start. There is a tab on teh recepticle which lines up with the bottom of the threads of the to fro cable. This was not too bad, but not perfect. I had to hook up the other side to side by about the same marker so I could check the throw to and fro on the to/fro cable
So I start rowing the boat. hehe
Yeah its of, so I moved it up and down like three times until it was exactly the same distance from n to forward and n to back. I initially measured the distance but it proved inaccurate so Ijust got my row on! Worked better.
BTW I found that if you pull the cable deal back and slide it to the side it remains open!! yes, yes, I didn't realize this until like the 5th time I was making an adjustment!!! Also it was easiest to make all adjustment on both cables with the stick in N
So on to the side to side being happy with the to fro
I had it still in the rough estimated spot of bottom threads to tab, off again. I noted this because it was a biatch to get it in R so I moved it and did it again, and again, until I had the same resistance from n to 1/2 and n to 5/6/. Well it was pretty close but since it had to got to R it actually ended up liking a little more resistance to 5/6 than 1/2 as it still had to go to R
Now I was reasonably pleased so I took all my tools to the apt and went for a spin.
DAMN I was impressed and gitty, and was like that the rest of the night! It was such an improvement it was rediculous! the stops were positive as hell, the throw is short, and the throw to and fro is equal, and my main concern no binding, no popping out nothing just perfect. I then went home and buttoned it up and went and had some wine! NICE
btw when I was in there I also lubed the cables with the grease by pushing the shifter all the way back and lubing the to fro adn then working it to fro, and the same for sticking in in R and then lubing and moving around. The cable deal I means is the spring loaded cover for the threaded recepticle which the threaded cables go into-
The "mistakes" you made are the typical ones, so welcome to the club. That is why we made the DVD. We were thinking of contacting B&M to see if they wanted to include the DVD in the box but they would probably tell us how great their printed instructions are - when their instructions do not tell you to mark the cables. Jeff
Yeah I bet so those directions sucked, another thing is that they didn't talk about the R clasp exclusion either, but the porsche one is more of a supplement than anything in comparison!
Jeff,
Is the grease that you used the one with the kit or is there another type to use? Hopefully, I'll get your disk today or tomorrow so that I can put it in this weekend. And then my X74's were sent out today from Gert.........Zowee! Can't wait!
