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YOUR RESEARCHTiptronic, clutch and IMS
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valves hitting pistons iirc
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The reason I found out is when I was shopping around ran across one that needed a replacement and kept getting repair quotes all over the board and finally had a mechanic ask "is it a tip or manual?" Then the light turned on, the sea parted, etc etc
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Like htny said- why must the engine come out of a 2002+ tip to change the ims?
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The reason I found out is when I was shopping around ran across one that needed a replacement and kept getting repair quotes all over the board and finally had a mechanic ask "is it a tip or manual?" Then the light turned on, the sea parted, etc etc
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May be an stupid question but I have to ask:
Do tiptronics have a clutch of some kind, and if they do have it, is there an usual mileage for them before changes?
IMS failure is evenly spread among both manuals and tiptronics or its impact is less on tiptronics?
And finally, how much more complex is to gain acces into RMS seal and IMS, for updating, in a tiptronic?
Thank you so much
Tips have a torque converter not a clutch.
Don't think there is a big difference with IMS failure/replacement between manuals and tips. The failure is in the bearing on the IMS which is not affected by the type of trans. There has been some speculation that RMS failure is more common with manuals, but no real data to back this up.
Tips have a few more lines, etc. that have to be disconnected to drop the trans. Once it is out taking off the torque converter is about the same as taking off the clutch and flywheel. They have to come off to access the RMS and the IMS.
Tips don't have clutches, per se. They have brake bands that are activated around a drum that locks a portion of the planetary gear set to select a gear ratio. There is some slippage as the band is tightened and before it firmly grasps/grips the drum.
These bands should last the life of the Tip/car provided the fluid's kept "fresh" and clean and at the proper level.
My second hand info is that the IMS failure is less common -- but not unknown -- in Tip equipped vehicles vs. manual equipped cars.
The effort to gain access to the RMS/IMS area for a Tip vs. a manual car is close to the same, close enough I don't think, haven't heard anyway, of any difference in labor costs.
Sincerely,
Macster.
I have a tip and did some homework on this before I bought. An RMS replacement is more for the tip than the manual. Its harder to get to, more labor involved.
The reason I found out is when I was shopping around ran across one that needed a replacement and kept getting repair quotes all over the board and finally had a mechanic ask "is it a tip or manual?" Then the light turned on, the sea parted, etc etc
Wow, not true!!!!
All times are warranty. Multiply by 1.5 to get a customer pay $ amount.
996 Manual gearbox r&r = 3.50 TU (5.25 Customer Pay)
996 up to 2001 tiptronic r&r = 6.50 TU (9.75 Customer Pay)
996 2002 and up tiptronic r&r(engine must come out too) = 9.10 TU (13.70 CP)
So yes..... big difference in labor costs to do RMS and IMS on Manual vs Tip.
I think it would be safe to say it is a least 10:1. RMS issues on manual VS Tip!!!
How many manuals were made vs tiptronic would figure into it. So I also figure Porsche made around 10 times as many manual trans and you are being sneaky
True. But RMS leaks on tips are very rare. A few years ago, it was almost a givin that you would do at least 1 RMS job a week, maybe the shop would see 1 Tip RMS issue a month, maybe!!! Ok, so put it this way, for every 10 manual trans. cars, 9/10 had RMS issues. I would say for every 10 tip cars, maybe 2/10 cars had RMS issue in there entire service life. Just my observation from the field.
Plus you can't over rev a Tip per say. You can get type 1's but the missed shifts - say 4th to 2nd you can't have although I don't know if over rev's can or do lead to IMS issues - but it can't help...
that type of miss shift causes engines to explode, it does not "lead to ims issues"
biggest issue is valves hitting pistons IIRC... nothing at all to do with the IMS
Tips have clutch packs (mulitple fibers and steel clutch disk sandwiched together). They are activated by fluid pressure driving a piston within each clutch pack sandwiching the clutch disk tightly similar to how a pressure plate engages a manual clutch. They are wet (with ATF) versus a dry clutch powering a manual. Even though they are wet type and substantially smaller in diameter, they are normally far stronger than the single manual dry clutch regarding torque handling.
True enough - but my point was it is impossible to do this in a Tip, I didn't mean that over rev's would lead to IMS issues, but of course we all know it can't help either. I've seen all sorts of theories as to the 'why' part of IMS failures - I believe it's fate really. How do you say, 'Do you feel lucky punk' in German?
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