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It can be changed at any time as you only lose 3/4 of one quart of oil when the unit is changed, even with a full oil sump.
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The data that we have been able to collect from this over the past year has been incredible and those who have used the unit have given it rave reviews from every aspect from ease of installation to effectiveness.
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My BMW engine reves just like after a complete oil change after the filter change as well but I only do that every 7500 miles.
Replace i'll consider he ims bearing replacement, if just
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When I need my clutch replaced, I'll consider he IMS bearing replacement, if just for the peace of mind?
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Its in the engine bay and I can swap out the filter only every 3700 miles because I don't need to change the oil.
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On one our test cars we were able to analyze the oil before and after the use of the spin on filter adaptor to monitor it's effectiveness and the tests we did with the filter mag in place along with the Mobil 1 filter the iron elements in the oil were 0% in two different tests.
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On one our test cars we were able to analyze the oil before and after the use of the spin on filter adaptor to monitor it's effectiveness and the tests we did with the filter mag in place along with the Mobil 1 filter the iron elements in the oil were 0% in two different tests.
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The data that we have been able to collect from this over the past year has been incredible and those who have used the unit have given it rave reviews from every aspect from ease of installation to effectiveness.
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Surprised no one has said anything about the flat6innovations oil filter adapter or super duper IMS bearing. I'm seriously considering the oil filter adapter and the oil drain plug. The Mobil 1 can filter is supposed to be the best there is..be nice to use it instead of a plastic cup hanging down. When I need my clutch replaced, I'll consider he IMS bearing replacement, if just for the peace of mind? Anyones thoughts?
I agree on both... but like you, when/if I do the clutch because you are already there... The oil filter is a good idea, but literally 10's of thousands of these plastic cups work fine everyday...No need to change, but most likely would be a good idea.
my .02
speaking of beer, i've been drinking PBR lately and i've got to admit, i like it. kind of reminds me of sapporo and definitely better tasting to me than miller light or bud light.
also, it's my, very small, way of cutting back in this period of economic recession.
I'd like to see the filter adapter I suppose.
***not to turn this into another oil debate*** Why not run better oil instead of a better oil filter? I went that route a long time ago. I can't say I've ever had an issue with overly dirty oil. I change it pretty often though.
Andy
I'd be happy to elaborate on the reason why this was developed and is currently patent pending... I will however, not engage in any chat concerning engine oils or recommendation as thats a battle that can't be won.
The main reason that we teamed up with LN Engineering to create this unit is the fact that it omits the plastic housing and with some filters it can be used to filter 100% of the engine's oil at all times. I also like it because it omits the factory Porsche filter that like most everything else in the M96 engine, was chosen to be "just effective enough" while being cheap to produce....
The data that we have been able to collect from this over the past year has been incredible and those who have used the unit have given it rave reviews from every aspect from ease of installation to effectiveness. The SPOFA (Spin On Filter Adapter) has many benefits, not just the fact that it allows for better oil filtration. The ease of maintenance, cleaner oil services, and the fact that the oil filter is even less messy to recycle are just a few of them.
The unit's ability to accept other accessories to enhance the oil system easily is also a big benefit as it gives a direct access point to the engine's oil system with a couple of other spin on enhancements. This gives the ability to run external oil coolers or an accusump accumulator easily without any machine work done to the engine. It also has the capability to run a "filter mag" to ensure the iron contamination in the oil is reduced as much as possible. On one our test cars we were able to analyze the oil before and after the use of the spin on filter adaptor to monitor it's effectiveness and the tests we did with the filter mag in place along with the Mobil 1 filter the iron elements in the oil were 0% in two different tests.
You do NOT have to pull the engine or even change the oil in your car to install this unit! It can be changed at any time as you only lose 3/4 of one quart of oil when the unit is changed, even with a full oil sump.
The unit has been so successful that I recently produced an instructional video to compliment it's installation and have posted this to youtube. You can see the video here and it should answer lots of the questions concerning ease of installation and effectiveness of the unit. The engine used in the video was full of oil and was between oil services.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv8BTItCrF0
Feel free to direct any questions that you may have concerning this development to me either here in this forum thread, via PM or via email at
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This is just one of the many products that we have for the M96 that help make it a more robust platform, we are working to support all of them with DVDs like the one posted above.
BTW- As for the "Super Duper IMS bearing":
It was a development that we HAD to create to be able to create our engine packages. Lots of time went into the bearing update and understanding of why the factory IMS fails. We now have clear indiscations that are substantitated by reports from Bearing Engineers on the topic. We are currently on revision 3 of the unit as we continue to develop better bearings for the unit that are made of superior materials, including space age silicon nitride composite.
Jake, that's great video, andI like the concept, although I have to admit, for a street driven Porsche, with no plans to install any of your other products, I'm not convinced its worth the expenditure.
Lastly, I really think you should consider becoming a sponsor, heck, at least a
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even. JMHO
thanks jake for the video. i like the adapter idea and i'm for anything that gives me cleaner oil between changes. well, anything that is reliable and tested.
I think he is working on sponsorship...
I agree, nice video and of all the posts you have writen, that one seems to bring the most to the table as you seemed like a real person (though not at all what I expected you to look or act like...much better in person than the "image" I had in head from your posts)
That's like one of those back handed compliment
Whats the price on the oil filter adapter?
Like Anderson said, not sure it makes sence for casual users, the factory one has worked for 100k + miles on thousands of cars....
The oil filter adapter is about $140. The IMS bearing is $600 plus installation. I've owned BMWs as well and they both use the same type of cartridge filter. At least Porsche's hangs upside down, so all the oil drains out. That said, I've never been overly crazy about them, even though I've never had an engine issue. The filter pleats allow you to see any debris, though that is small consolation. However, I've had some that were torqued, and close to split. BMW had to redesign theirs when the filter media was found to soften during the "extended" service intervals. There are numerous independent studies on oil filter efficiency (though none that I've seen ever compare spin on with BMW/Porsche cartridge) and the Mobil 1 filter and K&N gold come up on top very often. The adapter is pretty much a no-brainer, like the magnetic drain plug, in that it has a high percentage resale/reuse value, whereas the IMS bearing does not. I was not actively reading the board during the November 08 time period due to work location, so I missed the thread(s) following the Excellence article. Sorry, but it does seem there is still a lot of interest.
I like the BMW oil filter cartridge location. I don't need to jack the car up. Its in the engine bay and I can swap out the filter only every 3700 miles because I don't need to change the oil. The oil looks fine and just throw away the filter with crud that has been built up for the past several thousand miles. My BMW engine reves just like after a complete oil change after the filter change as well but I only do that every 7500 miles.
I'll go over a few of the points made in the replies here..
Yes and I agree that I have taken too long to get that initiated here.. Above all else I am a developer and nothing gets more of my time than making things work, gathering data and coming up with efficient methods of application.. I sometimes wish I didn't own this place, so I could spend ALL my time doing behind the scenes work.
Fact is that in the past 3.5 months I have added 4,000 square feet to our facility and I built the entire building myself (with a couple of friends) and that meant taking the M96 program totally offline until the building, chassis dyno and classroom facilities were finished. I just completed this task last week and have began testing again and shooting a few quick videos like the SPOFA production. Heck I haven't even had time to complete any of my magazine ads as 7 days weeks for 3.5 months get really long!
I can be abrasive in technical conversations.. Thats because all I am concerned with is a result and effectiveness as well as getting the information across as accurately as possible to the reader.
I apologize in advance for being direct :-)
And I appreciate it.
134.90 when my store site comes back up all the details can be found here
http://www.flat6innovations.com/shop...cat=296&page=1
Yes, but times change and plastic + heat +oil thats contaminated with fuel intrusion can all take their toll on the filter canister. I don't like ANYTHING thats plastic and attached to an engine and we are working to remove plastic where ever possible as it causes too many issues and they will get worse with age. A good example is the coolant tank and the failures they experience and the reason why I am making replacements from tig welded stainless steel! I like Overkill Engineering, its what Porsches were in previous generations.
When something works I ask myself how it can work better and then work toward that, then test it. Nothing is ever good enough, strong enough, fast enough or tough enough.. As Edison said "there is always a way to do it better... find it".
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Thats for the IMS bearing retrofit, the unit that can ONLY be applied to the cars with a single row IMS, which is a rarity. The IMS update requires engine disassembly and it runs 895.00 with the mods to the IMS made as well.
My gripe is cracks, breakage and just the fact that it's cheesy.
The studies we are doing now concur with these findings.
Correct. The magnetic drain plug is a really the best thing we have come up with yet. EVERY M96 we see has oil drain plug issues so this was a real necessity.. The larger hex (10mm)and the hard anodizing make it last for years instead of being disposable. The rare earth magnet helps to collect ferrous debris even before it reaches the filter. Its the best 20 bucks that can be spent!
The best chance these engines hav e at prev enting failure is more frequent oil services, as I mandate that the oil in our engines be purged every 5,000 miles. The key to keeping the service schedule up is making the job easier, cleaner and more enjoyable...
Yes, there is a ton of interest!!! Needless to say, we haven't really noticed there is a recession going on outside our compound... I have new Employees starting on Monday!
The things we are doing are not aimed toward RACE applications. They are nothing more than what Porsche should have done with this engine from the factory.
I bought one and installed it about 2 months ago. Very easy and I like the spin on filter for long term ease. I purchased it because of the way the product was designed based on research and for peace of mind.