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YOUR RESEARCHHelp pic a color for my C4S :)
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I clean the consoles with armor all cleaning wipes every few weeks and use Zaino Brothers leather cleaner and Leather in a Bottle conditioner a few times a year.
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BELIEVE ME, no "clean history" will reveal as much as a PPI.
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I clean the consoles with armor all cleaning wipes every few weeks and use Zaino Brothers leather cleaner and Leather in a Bottle conditioner a few times a year.
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Go test drive both of them again and buy the one that speaks to you the most.
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Ok, usually I am pretty right on with what I want. Sometimes you get thrown a curve.
Both are 2002's (Late model so both have glove boxes)
I LOVE both colors. BOTH are the same price.
Gray: Has 52k miles all records (including RMS etc) 1 owner. CF full interior heated seats and gray interior.
White: Has 38k miles and SOME records, 2 owner. Only interior upgrade is shifter/ebrake/gauges (no heated seats as the one above). Black interior
Of the two the Gray one is better optioned but has more miles. Gray is more common than White. Yet the White one has less history and less options (although not base).
Votes and comments are welcome
Single owner + all records + more options trumps colour + less miles IMHO. I think more miles are not necessarily a bad thing as long as you know the service history! White would be a great colour, but the rest of the package is better with the Gray C4S!
I really am partial to the grey but the contrasting colors look better. Plus if you grow tired of the white you always add some cool flame stickers to the side.........ok....kidding.
White over black anytime.
Actually I should clarify. They Gray is the Gray/Black combo you can get. Lower portion carpets etc in black. It also has the full CF console, steering wheel console surround and door pulls.
I would be more interested in the car with more options. Both cars have relatively low miles for the age. The question you need to ask yourself is which one are you excited about? Both are in great shape and taken care of. From experience I have been very satisfied with the black interior, and it seems to wear well. Good luck! I look forward to seeing the pics once you have decided.
Decide what options are truly important to you...don't assume that more options = higher resale value later on, because that doesn't generally wash. Unless of course we're talking about $$$ engine options like X50/51 PCCBs or full leather (I mean FULL leather where even the dash vents are leather covered) or full carbon interior package.
I have the grey with black (black carpets, mats) interior in my black 2003 targa with only the e-brake and shift lever in Carbon and I really like the interior look. You almost only notice the grey, but the black (I think) minimizes dirt/damage on the lower interior carpet. The grey is holding up well for its age, although I don't really have a reference to compare. I clean the consoles with armor all cleaning wipes every few weeks and use Zaino Brothers leather cleaner and Leather in a Bottle conditioner a few times a year.
I'd go with the heated seats and extra options if you like the CF look. When its cold those seat heaters are fantastic... Grey + grey is my vote. Good luck and post pics when you choose!
Lawrence
I have to say that I had Gray in my TT and had no issues. But I also wiped it down (as I do ones with Black) monthly. It is good to keep any leather clean.
If the white had Sport Seats....THAT would be a show stopper
My grey interior has held up very well - hasn't turned brown at all and I don't obsess over cleaning it. Go test drive both of them again and buy the one that speaks to you the most. Post pics when you pick one.
My vote goes to the white. It's a rare color for the c4s and plus the black interior will definitely hold up better than the grey interior in my opinion.
Tim you crack me up
Working on the papers now. A slight hitch came up on the white one. So I am going for the Seal Gray. I love the white as well (VERY MUCH) but the options and history are really swaying me. The white has a Carfax discrepancy that looks to be an honest fat finger error but you never know. A preliminary pic will be up once funds xfer
PS: What's with the Honda
Got a wing and Neon on it yet
PPS: Funny how so many of us lurk even when we are without a PCar huh? Although you ARE the official picture harassment leader (and I support you)
PPI's came back clean. But you and I know how people will beat you up if there is an issue on the CF
Mods? What Mod's? Who ME!?
Suspension, wheels, Front, Rear, Exhaust etc. The NA car is a great bullet proof car. Loved my TT. But so finicky per si. And of all the PCars I have had I loved my C4S the best. Why? Not sure. I have to say I see more TT's than C4S's around here. Heck, today I saw a 993TT in Adventura Green out in the crappy snow/wet roads. I was like......"Dude, you lost?"
Plus I have a set of 19in Techart Formulas in the Garage just screaming for a car to go on
My favorite mods are:
GT console delete (suncoast Porsche) and short shifter kit. Both can be installed at the same time as you have to remove the center console for both.
after that, get thee to a drivers' ed event. you will never know the car until you live >5k rpm for a while.
I have owned P-cars for 35 yrs. this is the best one since my first, 1972 911S (wish i still owned it!)
Surfer161
Hey OP
By the description of the white one, could it be the one in New Orleans???
If so, what didn't fly with that one? I'm asking because I am currently looking into it...