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There is a separate lip that is specifically made to be used with your wing and the stock bumper for 02 or newer cars.
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TD, definitely keep me up and I'll check with my dealer today.
Use aftermarket aerokit parts unless they have been
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This is precisely why I am so hesitant to use aftermarket aerokit parts unless they have been tested in wind tunnels.
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It is very interesting to me that Porsche makes such a big deal about the need for aerodynamic testing, and the need to use matching aerokit parts.
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Hey everyone, I need some quick help!
BullBear, I have shamelessly used your picture because it is perfect for my question (you might be able to help).
For the Stock Carrera Wing shown in the picture, the 99-01 kit came only with the rear wing, while the 02+ came with both a rear wing and a front lip spoiler. I need a picture of the front lip spoiler asap. I hear that it is very short (around 2 feet long) rather than the full length "Aerokit II style" lip spoiler. Do you have this spoiler on your car? If so, can you please post a pic for me?
Grateful in advance for all help.
TD in DC
TD, u r going to be disappointed as in my understanding, the Carrera wing is sold by itself. So I don't even know if this front spoiler that u talked about even exist! Is this spoiler for the std front bumper for 02'+? If so, I'd be interested too as I always feel the std front bumper is missing something.
Todd....I don't have a picture but the part number for the wing AND lip is 000 044 802 04 and the wing by itself is 996 512 903 00 G2X. The lip they are referring to is 996 505 986 02 G2X. It might be the one made for the standard spoiler since I bought the supercup lip and it is 996 505 986 92.
Looks like the lip in the following picture.....
Dell, now I have a question... The lip in the picture is obviously for a GT3 or aero kit II front bumper right? Are u saying the lip (996 505 986 02 G2X) looks like the one for the GT3 but fits the regular bumper for 02'+?
I have never seen a regular 02'+ bumper with a lip. Anyone got one? pics?
thanks in advance
I don't have a standard lip spoiler pic. My best guess is that is it very similar to the one on the GT3 lip just tailored to fit the std spoiler. Best place to ask would be Loren over at Renntech.org since he has a lot of schematic pics, etc.
Bullbear,
LV Dell is right! There is a separate lip that is specifically made to be used with your wing and the stock bumper for 02 or newer cars. The older 996s did not need one. Dell, I think that is the part number I am trying to see. I have heard that it does not go all the way across the car the way the one in your picture does.
TD
Loren is indeed a tech God, but I assure you there is. It even refers to the "lip" spoiler in the Tequipment catalog and warns that you cannot use the rear spoiler unless you also install the front one. One is on the way to me right now, I just want to ensure that I get the "right" one since I am ordering it separately as a replacement part rather than as part of the entire kit from Porsche (which includes the front lip spoiler if you order the part for +02 996s). It installs under the standard front spoiler. I will let you know when I learn more.
TD
I am guessing that the lip spoiler is like one of these?........
Smaller one is Mk1 Lip (996 505 986 00) List $76
Larger one is Mk2 Lip (996 505 986 92) List $243
Dell and BullBear,
I have heard that it is similar to those, but only about 2 to 2/12 foot long. I don't have the part number here, but I will post when I get it.
P.S. I found the tequipment picture. Note the last line in the description, which says post 8/01 cars receive an additional front lip spoiler. Bullbear, are you sure your car doesn't have it and you just don't realize it? Apparently, it goes well under the stock front spoiler and is not immediately visible . . . it is solely for aerodynamic purposes.
TD
Dell, thx for the pics but this is getting quite confusing. I just called the dealer and they actually have two kits in stock. The "lip" in question should be (996 505 555 01 as per Loren) and it only cost $85 CDN. So, I would say it is neither of the ones you posted (996 505 986 00 nor 996 505 986 92) but I can't confirm until I go and check it out in person. He did verify that this "lip" would be for 02'+ std bumper and that it is a very "small" lip.
Now, I just got to find time to go to the dealer.
thx again for all the input.
TD, if its a pure aerodynamic "piece" that is "under" the front bumper then I might have missed it. But I am assuming this is a lip similar to the GT3 lip but shorter in length. Also, I bot the car used and it came with the Carrera wing but I have no other details. Would this info show up on the option sticker? I don't even know if the car was ordered with wing or the dealer put it on afterwards. I'll take a look under afer work though.
Looks like I win. Here are two pictures of the front lip spoiler. It is only 2'4" long, and it appears to snap into place without rivits or bolts of any type. It is part number 99650555501, and it comes with the carerra wing kit for 8/01 + cars.
It is very interesting to me that Porsche makes such a big deal about the need for aerodynamic testing, and the need to use matching aerokit parts. This part seems relatively minor, but Porsche insists that you use it if you use their rear spoiler. This is precisely why I am so hesitant to use aftermarket aerokit parts unless they have been tested in wind tunnels. It is also interesting that this little spoiler is only necessary after the updated front bumper, which I thought was supposed to create additional downforce over the original spoiler, which does not need it. hmmmm
TD, you win indeed!
Now, does this spoiler install pointing downwards (like u were holding it in the 2nd pic)? Or does it install like a lip (with the blade pointing towards the front of the car)? It looks to me it installs pointing downwards (ie not that visible at all)
I have yet to install it, but I believe it installs well beneath the nose of the car (it will not be visible from the exterior) with the blade pointing downwards. The view I showed in the second photo shows the correct installation orientation (tabs up, blade down).
I was waiting for this question . . . I am on the verge of buying a normally aspirated 944 for the track. I have spousal sign-off, so it is just a matter of finding the right car. I have a few good leads, I just need to educate myself a little more before I pull the trigger.
In the meantime, the only thing I didn't like about my car was that it feels a little light above 110. I just got back from Watkins Glen this weekend, and, again, the car felt a little light at high speeds. I bought a carerra wing replica from MASHAW, which is at the bodyshop right now being prepared for painting. (it was $1700 cheaper than the oem part, and the bodyshop said it was fairly good quality) I pulled the trigger on the wing because it is subtle and functional, and will not lead to the "frankenstein effect" I was concerned about since it was designed by the factory for Targas and Convertibles (as well as coupes). I bought the factory front lip so that I could keep the aerodynamics correct. I was just shocked at the size of the front lip.
I also ordered the GT2 foam tray with airpump, tire sealent, first aid kit, etc . . . so that I could delete the front tire and gain usuable trunk space. It works great. I can just lift the whole tray out at the track, and I have instantly lost some weight without having to fool with removing the tire etc . . . It worked really well at Watkins Glen.
Now I am done, I promise. I am sure my focus will shift to the 944 Track car.
Yeah, more like a "li" It appears that it is meant to break up the air under the car. I wonder how the fact that I have lowered my car will affect the functioning of the piece. Too bad wind tunnels are prohibitively expensive to rent. Imagine how much fun we could all have if they were as cheap as dynos . . .
Well, I installed the front lip yesterday. It snaps into preexisting slots on the 8/01+ stock bumper. The slots are about one foot behind the front of the car, which means the spoiler is completely invisible unless on a lift. It appears that the function is to divert air flow away from the bottom of the car. It is probably psychological but the car feels a little better at high speeds (only hit 100 for a very brief period of time). I drop the car off tonight to have the rear wing installed. I have attached some low-quality pics from my phone to show the installed front lip.
Can't wait to hear your impressions after prepping a 944 for the track. I have considered everything from 944's to early 911's (70's-80s) to even a new GT3. Just can't figure out what I would get the most track enjoyment out of. At least I have a year to figure it out.
TD, great write-up and photos! I think I'll probably install it as well even though its not visible. Hopefully, along with PSS9s and GT3 sways, it will eliminate the high speed wobble that it experiences right now. Thx.
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