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There may have been a change for later model years.
Replace suspension and finding it was about 10mm lower
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I remember using the fender lip measurement before and after changing the suspension and finding it was about 10mm lower, which is what I was told to expect.
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I remember using the fender lip measurement before and after changing the suspension and finding it was about 10mm lower, which is what I was told to expect.
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I remember using the fender lip measurement before and after changing the suspension and finding it was about 10mm lower, which is what I was told to expect.
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Hi guys,
Just confirming, is this the row m030 suspension? I drive a 2000 Porsche Carrera 4.
http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/pt65_1.../Porsche-Kits/
Cheers
Don't know which model you have, as the part numbers are different for 6 spd or tiptronic, C2, C4 or Turbo.
If you have a 2002-2004 C2 6 spd, the part number for ROW M030 kit is 000-044-500-27.
Philooo,
If your car was made for the USA and delivered here, then the 30 is the US spec M030 (-10mm). The M030 RoW is usually -20mm.
C4's have different M030 specs and components than C2, regardless of USA or RoW. Safest procedure is to contact the seller directly to confirm the parts and kit for your car year/model.
One other item to look at, the M030 roll bars, springs and Dampeners have a green dot on them. The white dots are for the "touring" suspension.
Here is a picture of the front springs, the ROW M030 is on the right.
I am getting all confused .... What is row m030 and row m033?? Basically I want my ride height to be lowered and stiffen, which should I get?? What's the difference between USA version and Europe version.
Sorry for my ignorance!
I think M033 is nothing else than the standard on the wide body 996 (S, Turbo) so not as 'good' as M030 that is lower and a bit stiffer if I did understand well.
But after some research I would go with some H&R to keep a smooth ride, and I will probably put a set of Eibach on my C4S. M030 doesn't seem to be really worth the cost... my two cents.
I normally post on the 997 board but I had a 996 for 8 years so I hope it's ok to post here.
IIRC, the US spec M030 was stiffer but no lower than the standard 996 suspension. The ROW (Rest of World) M030 used different springs than the US spec and was 10mm lower.
I retrofitted the ROW M030 to my 996 before I went over the edge with Eibach springs, JRZ shocks, GT3 bars, and about 35mm of lowering. Setup was great for autox, but too much for the street, IMO. In retrospect, ROW M030 was a good compromise.
Should have qualified that my recollections were for the '99 996 which is the model I owned. The order guide for that year, which I still have, mentions the stiffer springs and shocks but not the 10mm lowering. I'm pretty sure the US M030 for that year wasn't lower. What year is yours? There may have been a change for later model years. Otherwise can't explain your window sticker, unless of course my memory is totally off.
I remember a couple of really good articles in Panorama on these 996 suspensions. I found the reference in the index section on the PCA site; they were in April and May of 2002. No link to the actual articles though, and my copies of those issues are long gone.
ok memory failure on my end
BUT
I have an excuse, it is because when I asked for VIN decoding from suncoast they sent me this list:
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MNR Type Description
030 Sports suspension (- 10 mm)
415 18" Turbo Look II wheel (monobloc)
446 Wheel centre set
680 BOSE Sound System including AudioPilot (digital)
692 CDC-4 six disc CD autochanger
E73 Carbon package (large)
P11 Automatically dimming interior/exterior mirrors
P15 Electric front seats
P74 Headlight pack including cleaning system
X69 Door entry guards in carbon
XMJ Rear section of centre console in carbon
XSU Lowered seats
"
So I confused their "030 Sports suspension (- 10 mm)" with my -10mm lower seats on the sticker....
which is which now... I am jsut surprised they said I have this '30 sports suspension' when I don't really see it on my window sticker...
yeah !
I see indeed the sport type chassis is labeled M030. Always cool to discover option I had no idea I had
LOL
Does anyone knows for sure what is included in that M030 option ?
What's confusing is ROW Standard and ROW Sport. I didn't think there were two versions of the "Rest of World" kit. I have ROW M030 which I understood to be Euro Sport Suspension, so what is the ROW Standard?
It's is pretty confusing. The ROW standard is mentioned in the text of the article and shown in Table 1, but there is no other data given for that suspension anywhere else that I can find, so it's hard to make comparisons on spring rates, etc..
Table 1 shows ground clearance to a specific point on the suspension, and Table 3 shows distance from the front fender lip to the ground so the numbers in those charts aren't directly comparable which is probably good because they don't match.
I remember using the fender lip measurement before and after changing the suspension and finding it was about 10mm lower, which is what I was told to expect. Table 3 shows 12mm so at least that's in the ballpark.
Probably doesn't answer you question but that's all I've got....
I wonder if Gert or someone from Suncoast could chime in on this.....it is confusing. I have the X74 so I'm as low as you can go with a stock Pcar suspension....and I'm a happy camper.
Mike, thanks for the perspective. Porsche does allow for +/- 10mm with most setups, so they sort of protect themselves in terms of what they promise.
Pete, what does your X74 measure from ground to fender lip?
-Kurt
I want to say 25 1/8". Car is in the shop (that's another subject / thread
). I can check when I get it back. I can say the X74 dropped close to 1 3/4" (44mm) from stock height.
Okay, So here it is ... My P-car with X74 Kit, GT3 Replica Wheels and Fabspeed muffler.
Unfortunately, the fabspeed drones pretty bad from 2800rpm - 3400rpm .... Any ideas to reduce the drone? BUT, the mufflers actually sound pretty good!
Will post up some videos after christmas!
100plus, your car looks great!!! Thanks for the pics.
Please post your impressions of the X74 suspension after you have driven on it for awhile.
I'm considering going with the RoW M030 on my 2000 C2 when the weather gets warmer here. Now I may have to also consider the X74, although I think it would be too low for my driveway.
Was the X74 suspension an option on the 2000 Carrera or was it only an option on later model 996s?
Hi there! So far so good with the suspension. I wa actually previously running on ROW M030 ... HAHA. It is actually a very big difference with the ride quality. I must say it takes and sticks to the road MUCH better. I also thought it might be too low for the roads here in singapore BUT fortunately the ride height is not a problem! It is just great imust say. I would suggest just getting the X74 kit and be done with it. It is really some good Sh**t for the money spent. It comes with new sways as well.
I think the X74 was only offered in Europe at the time. Hands down the best Pcar suspension. Body sway is non-existent in the twisties. The alignment that comes with it makes driving so more precise. Also the engine protection plate is a must. I have yet to bottom out but its good insurance.
another ROW convert to the X74
Now you see why we always say "if your going to spend the money and time to swap to ROW... just go to X73/74 and skip the wasted step
looks sweet
when's your first track day
Dang it guys.
I am on the fence among X74, Row030 and Bilstein PSS10s. I currently have the US M030. I'm mainly concerned X74 may be too low and possibly too harsh as a daily driver.
In my opinion i didnt like the ROW M030 as compared to the X74. X74 is more precise and it really sticks your car to the road. I am a daily driver as well and it is just fine for daily driving. If you could afford Pss10s then go for that if not get X74. Dont bother about ROW M030.
Cheers
I really think the X74 will be too low for me given my steep driveway and the high curb cuts I seem to frequent. In fact, just last week I scraped the underside of the car entering a driveway and I am currently running the stock suspension.
Luckily the scrape occured just behind the painted bumper cover.
I do a couple of DEs and a couple of AXs per year and am more than ready to ditch the stock suspension for something a little lower and more firm. However, I still drive the car a few times a week on the street so I cannot go too low. I am not worried about the ride quality, my main concern is simply ride hight.
I'm telling you guys...the X74 is the cat's ***. Is it low? Well yeh. That is part of the reason the handling is SOOOOO much better. I have learned to really pay attention to inclined driveways, parking lots.....and just pay attention to where I'm going in general. The reason why I scrape the front bumper is because of the splitter. If I didn't have the splitter I would most likely never scrape. Got mine from Gert as well. Just checked his site and the USD / Euro conversion (including shipping) is $2069. Don't think you will find it any cheaper.
I see that Suncoast Porsche has the X74 kit for sale for $2,495 + Ship. They have kits available for 2002-2004 C2 and C4 cars. They do not list an X74 kit for the MK1 996 however, which is what I have.
Darn close to PSS kits seems awful expensive for what basically amounts to 4 springs and struts. I giess that i sthe price we pay for driving a Porsche.
I bought the kit last year in Feb. I had to pay roughly $50 to FedEx for customs/VAT. That was it. When I bought the dollar was a little stronger...it cost around $2K total to my door step. From date of order to my door was 4 days.
I would suggest you PM Gert (he is on RL) for a quote to get the total cost.
