PerformanceBOX and DriftBox GPS Data Aquisition Systems Available at VR

PM or Call Me for Rennlist Special If you want to know exactly how well your driving skills are doing and if your performance modifications are making a difference, then you will want to check out the PerformanceBox or DriftBox GPS data acquistion units. Both units feature a Performance Meter, Lap Timer, Data Logger, and Power Calculator. The Performance Meter allows you to calculate top speed, average speed, 1/4 mile time, GForces, 0-60 times, and more. All this data is saved on a SD memory card which can then be put on your computer to showcase the graphs and data to analyze your driving. The Lap Timer takes a fixed position in which it will give you your best lap time, current lap time, and even your speed. You can define up to 6 splits and even track your corner exit speed. The Data Logger function is a full data logging software. This software allows graphical analysis of acceleration, braking, cornering and lap times. You can overlay up to four files, and you get an accurate track map to compare your driving line between different laps. Finally the Power Calculator is like having a real dyno in your own car. Meaures results in BHP or KW, analyzes your acceleration to give you power output at the wheels, you can carry these runs out in 2nd gear for safe and low speed driving, power can also be calculated at the flywheel. There are two parts to the testing process: the acceleration run, which gives you the power at the wheels minus the losses caused by tyre and air resistance. The second part of the test measures these losses and also estimates gearbox losses. The Power Mode is also an additional tool for car tuning, where access to a chassis dynamometer is not possible. The DriftBox features all the above functions but includes the Drift Analyzer system. Driftbox was initially developed for use in the Japanese D1 Grand Prix series to assist the judges award points during the competition, and has become in effect the fourth "Judge". Every vehicle which competes has a DriftBox Pro fitted during each run, and the judges get a points score for each corner based on Entry speed, Drift Angle and Cornering Force. Cornering force is used to judge how well the car is setup, the higher the cornering force, the more power and skill are needing to slide the vehicle. Until now, the drift angle had to be estimated, but with DriftBox the guesswork has been removed, allowing much fairer comparisons to be made between competing drivers. Not only does DriftBox give feedback on angle, but also entry speed and cornering G-force. This information is displayed to the driver, and can also be transmitted to the judges and spectators in real time using the optional Racelogic telemetry system. You can read more and see actual data and product images about the PerformanceBox and DriftBox on our site here .

As a rennlist sponsor, why not be transparent with the pricing?

I dont sell on price, I sell service and the product. If you are interested in the product, just ask me. We do ship internationally.

Oh dear God, here we go again. Vivid not posting pricing and then when asked either doesn't respond to the post or states to contact him. Sometimes people don't want to contact, they want to know how much before they invest any time in inquiring more about the product(s). Sure you can't put a price on service and support but you can put a price on a product and then FOLLOW that up with service and support. Nobody here is going to overpay just because you claim to sell service. There are WAY TOO MANY vendors out there that have top notch service and have no problem ever listing pricing. FYI....anytime you list a product for sale here on Rennlist there are 2 major points that you must satisfy. First, you must be a paid member or sponsor. Second, you must post a price EVERY TIME. If you need help with the rules: https://rennlist.com/forums/for-sale-ads-member-to-member-fs-wtb-free/197285-for-sale-classifieds-forum-guidelines-read-before-posting.html

Hello LVDell, that was not very nice. I did not come at you. The price of the box is $499. For the Rennlist people that are interested, I am offering it for $475. Thanks for the link to the rules.

Come on Dan. It wasn't mean to be nice. But it wasn't meant to be mean either. Instead, and you know, it was meant to highlight the same protocol you have followed EVERY time you posted a product here. People ask about pricing and you say "PM me" or just flat out ignored the posting by a member asking for more info (not responded to the post in the thread). You rarely, if ever, posted a price in your FIRST post to sell a product. As I said, you can sell all the "service" you want, but the membership wants to know the PRICE before they invest any time in contacting vendors. Then, if they decide to contact you and purchase the product, include that stellar service you tout and you will probably have repeat customers (and new ones) because of that. Just something to chew on for future postings.

slightly straying from the topic.... here is why we dont post prices or any of our guys post prices in any forums. because of MAP. Minimum Advertised Price. this industry holds 0 value because of every person trying to start a company and selling for $5 over cost. many manufactures have iniated MAP pricing policy which is legal. this is a good thing. none of us wake up in the morning to make $1. I am sure you would be pissed if one day your salary got cut in half. the bottomline is when you post prices, its all about price. we are trying to educate people on the product, the benefits, how it will improve them and their vehicle, and how it compares. if they want to price shop, then they are no a customer for us. you will see over the next few years all the body feeders slowly dropping off. remember when there was a private video rental on every street corner and cell phone retailer? Not it is Blockbuster and Hollywood Video or TMobile and Verizon stores. If you are interested in the product, then you will see the call to action and click on the link. Someone that wants to buy the product will contact us. no disrespect, but that is how we focus on our business and very successful at it. If your not interested in our products or our company, fine. I dont mind the discussions.

I am sure that model works great for you and I wish you the best in your business. My point is that people over the years (while you were in fact here on RL) constantly posted requests for more info or pricing, etc, and their requests went ignored only to post such dissatisfaction with your ignored requests. FYI...they are MANY vendors here that post products for sale and then post that they offer RL members X% off any transaction which allows them to offer the members here a discount and NOT have to post below MAP. But offering 4% off like you have for this product isn't exactly going to get people to jump off their couch to buy. Instead offering a x% discount to RL members will probably get you not only purchasers for whatever product you are selling but MORE products to that order as well. I know every time I have done business with vendors here I have added more to the order in addition to what they advertised here b/c of the discount they offered.

I clicked the link above to "read more and see actual data and product images", but there is nothing there that I saw (?).

go here: racelogic

Can the PerformanceBOX replace the HotLap system? Ie, for autocrossing, can I get it to accurately give me lap time in addition to all the other cool stuff it does? Can it read IR beams from the HotLap, or can I get it to do the equivalent somehow?

Sure you can read how the Lap Timer and Power Meter works here - http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/p...r-p-52145.html You will be able to accurately get lap times. See the pictures here on the manufactures website - http://www.performancebox.co.uk/lap.html Thanks for the business lesson LVDell. I have just made you an honorary business partner and now you can buy parts from me at cost which is lower, guaranteed, then any other vendor on this site. Why, why not right...

WOW. This thing is pretty incredible. I read the user manual and it's very, very capable. I don't even track my car (yet), and I want one. For anyone that does track their car, they might want to check this thing out - it offers some great analysis tools, complete with track overlays, split times, etc, etc, etc.

It sure sounds amazing. It also seems like it may be a better bang-for-buck than the HotLap system, which starts around $170 for the receiver, and only gives you total lap time. Hmm. Is there anyone in or near San Diego that has one of these bad boys?

There is some good reviews going on about the Performance Box Here .

I purchased a Performance Box from Vivid Racing and had a chance to use it on the track last week: Below is an example of a lap from Calabogie Motorsports. My thoughts on the device are: 1) Does a very good job of lap timing. (I haven't used the other major functions) 2) Easy and quick to set up. 3) Easy to use at the track. 4) Device file management capabilities are rudimentary at best; basically just records one big file of data with no apparent way for user to separate runs, label runs, etc. throughout the track day. 5) PC software is pretty basic, if not somewhat cryptic, from a user interface perspective. 6) Lacking good lap analysis / virtual lap capability; there is a bug in the max velocity per split in the software (Myself, and others as it turns out, have input bug fix/feature/functionality requests to Racelogic). All in, it acceptably performed the function I was looking for (plug & play GPS lap timing). The bad news is, quoting from Mike Broadbent, the Racelogic Sales Manager, (from performance box user forum) from July 1, 2008: "I'm going to be completely honest here: DriftBox and PerformanceTools won't get another major update for some time, and neither will the firmware. Our priority is now the VideoVBOX which we want to release late summer, and additionally there will be a major rewrite of VBOXTools first, in a different programming language. All this is not going to happen overnight, and until it's completed we can't realistically dedicate any more resources to the performance meters. At some point next year I imagine our attention will turn back to these products to see what enhancements are possible." This is a remarkable admission of Performance Box customer ambivalence and will have to be a caveat in any recommendation to purchase Racelogic products.

awesome! glad to see it worked well.

I've been using a Driftbox for some months now, so I can add a little bit more info about it. The Performancebox & Driftbox are similar to the Traqmate and DL1 systems, for those who are familiar with them - though the P/Dbox are entirely self contained, and include a small display. Unlike those, however, enhancing the Driftbox to accept inputs from sensors, triggers, OBDII port, etc... is supported only via a very expensive firmware upgrade, followed by a very expensive input module purchase. (It's prohibitive for most, but has been quite popular with car magazines.) The accuracy of the Driftbox is comparable only to Racelogic's high end (10k,20k, etc) vehicle dynamics measurement systems - used by car magazines, and many high end tire and car manufacturers - including Michelin and Porsche. =) We're getting a small slice of that technology, in these little boxes. Regarding some of the other comments made... It's actually very easy to split data logged into different files. Though an input button isn't used for this one of two things works: a) push the SD Card to eject/re-insert it (don't actually have to remove it - just push twice.) b) unplug, replug the power chord. A new file is instanty created. As warm startups are virutally instant, almost no time is required to reacquire sattelites and start recording. I do this between each track session, to better organize data throughout the day/weekend, and to prevent gps carrier signal shifts from ionosphere changes over larger periods of time, to show up as shifts in my logged data. Keeping the track sessions seperate makes lap to lap comparisons of track position *very* accurate. The laps within a session can be automatically broken into laps, and splits, once the points are set in software - if not done on track while driving. (For AutoX, the start and finish can be distinct!) Individual laps can be graphed and compared against each other amongst many different channels. It's easy to compare laps from different files or SDcards, as well, so you can compare your lap against an instructor's lap, for example. Major firmware and software releases for Driftbox and DriftboxTools were released last month, addressing several features requested. Details are here: http://www.driftbox.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=398 http://www.driftbox.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=397 It's too bad that Racelogic will be shifting focus for a while, but support has been reasonably good thus far. So far, the Driftbox has been invaluable for helping me achieve (my) best lap times in PCA Time Trialing. I can analyze exactly which parts of the track hold potential for me to gain time, by trying different things and comparing outcomes. Individual laps can be easily singled out and compared, and sections can be broken out with a great many data measurements to judge the benefits of different lines, breaking points, etc...