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Check with suncoast back in march a 3.4 was $13,521.30
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When I checked with Suncoast back in March a 3.4 was $13,521.30 with $2,291.07 refunded for a rebuildable core, for a net of $11,230.23.
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This makes me wonder; has the PCA ever made any sort of concerted effort to pressure Porsche into replacing failed engines?
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Incidentally, I have the spreadsheet showing the wiring changes required for that swap should anyone be interested in seeing what is involved.
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This is what my car has been running for almost the last 2 years.
Use 3.4 dem and wiring harness, and reflash the dme
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They use the 3.4 DEM and wiring harness, and reflash the DME.
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I think if I were going to swap in a 3.6 I'd just use the later DME and make the wiring changes, as I'm very familiar with what needs to be done there.
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I think if I were going to swap in a 3.6 I'd just use the later DME and make the wiring changes, as I'm very familiar with what needs to be done there. But that's only easy on an e-gas chassis, and mine isn't one of those. I might need to think a little more about that. Incidentally, I have the spreadsheet showing the wiring changes required for that swap should anyone be interested in seeing what is involved.
In the meantime, I'm still hunting a decent 1-3 head to put the 3.4 back together. I may have found one, but I'm trying to get a read on what kind of condition it's in.
Doug,
You can have protomotive flash your existing DME to work with the 3.6. And keep your cable throttle by simply bolting it onto the 3.6 motor. They are interchangeable.
You will need an external way to fire VC+ at your desired RPM range. Easy enough to do.
This is what my car has been running for almost the last 2 years.
-Paul
Is that Promotive the same as
http://www.promotive.com.au/
? If so, that's the first I've heard of a quick solution to that problem and I will definitely follow up with them.
Is that strictly RPM based or is there a load component there as well? I have a background in EE and embedded systems so I feel really comfortable that I could do whatever is required...as long as I understand the requirements.
Have you had your car on the dyno to compare the power curve with a late DME car? Any drivability issues?
Thanks!
You migth want to talk with Phillipj over on Renntech.org. He did the swap recently with Roock out of Atlanta, althought he is in the LA area. I also talked extensively with Fabian Roock. They use the 3.4 DEM and wiring harness, and reflash the DME. Then they have new wiring/controls for the VarioCam Plus. They have done several of them and say it only adds about $2,000 to the cost of swapping a 3.4 for another 3.4. Also say you can use a 997 3.6 or 3.8 and it is about the same work. That 3.8 from a 997S would be sweet, and costs less than a 3.4 from Porshce. Of course they all cost less then the price Porsche is asking for a 3.4.
However, if you read the string of posts on Phillipj's conversion you will see that even with Roock it took some time to get it right.
Also, there is a little more to using an E-Gas in the older car if you want the E-Gas. I know I have told that if you have a non-E-Gas engine you can swap the throttle body and put the engine in an E-Gas car. But if you wanted to use an E-Gas engine in an older car, and watned the E-Gas you would also need the pedal mechanism, wiring, etc. If you give up the E-Gas then maybe you culd just swap the E-Gas throttle body for the no-E-Gas one.
No, it was Protomotive the porsche turbo tuner people in Arizona, US. Roock's team did my car, it was one of the first.
I spoke with Philip on Renntech extensively leading up to his install.
3.4 Reman from Suncoast or Sunset $11,050, 3.6 $8,400, 3.6 X51 $9,500. I forget the price of the 3.8, but it was less than the 3.4. Now these prices are from last year, but I don't thin they have changed. With Sunset, they said Porsche required a 3.4 to 3.4, or a 3.6 to 3.6 core exchange, or you don't get the core refund back. Suncoast said they could take a 3.4 core on a 3.6 reman, but you would be charged the difference in teh core deposit, which is several hundred dollars.
Porsche knows how many 3.4's are going, along with a good number of 3.6's, but no where near as many, so they are really taking advantage of the situation. I spoke to Jake Raby just today, as I have a 3.4 with intermix, and he said his shop aone is seeing a failed engine every 10 days or so.
All I know is that I had a Ford Windstar that was several years out of warranty, and had 70,000 miles when the engine went with a failed hed gasket, and ford knew they had a problem with the 3.8 engines in the cars and replaced it without any questions. Too damn bad Porsche doesn't step up to the table and take car of the buyers of its cars. I paid $92,000+ when I bought mine in 2000 (a 2000 C4 Cab) and only had 50,000 when the engine went. Porsche would do nothing, except sell me a new/reman engine at full cost.
The prices have gone up a little. When I checked with Suncoast back in March a 3.4 was $13,521.30 with $2,291.07 refunded for a rebuildable core, for a net of $11,230.23.
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