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meeting came, they changed the anouncment to "no bonus, we decided it was a bad idea" then told us that "maybe" in about 10 years they would consider it...
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meeting came, they changed the anouncment to "no bonus, we decided it was a bad idea" then told us that "maybe" in about 10 years they would consider it...
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Might also be fun to change the front seat belts to black if you take it one itty-bitty step further.
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Especially, at Summit main where there is so little run off.
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Fixed back seats become more dangerous in the event of a roll-over and thus dictate the use of a rollbar.
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meeting came, they changed the anouncment to "no bonus, we decided it was a bad idea" then told us that "maybe" in about 10 years they would consider it...
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Not sure how this will end up....you know me, might be for sale in a couple weeks. But for now....
Carbon Fiber - black....well there was no way I would have bought these in savanna... lol
Quick shots in the dark with COLD hands!
And yea, the car is filthy.... been bad weather here and I love it too much to park it. Clean up later cuz it freezing out this week so I dont want to get it wet
The black mats maybe a little to much but black rear seats would look perfect! Is that where you were originally headed with it or just the front seats?
for sure P-car #2 will have black interior!!! This is just for fun, doubt I will hang on to them, but I think they will help hold me in place and find out what I want to do in the future. Thanks
I wasnt really "heading" anywhere.. I just ended up here LOL and I wanted to try these out to see how they feel. If I opt against them, black is easier to sell than savanna
Last year in October we had a company wide meeting. They anounced that there would be a bonus in November. When the Nov. meeting came, they changed the anouncment to "no bonus, we decided it was a bad idea" then told us that "maybe" in about 10 years they would consider it...
anyone want to guess what that did for moral?
I am now called "The happy one" and I owe it all to having a Porsche (well and the fact that I am naturally in denial at work LMAO)
Just back from a couple 15 minute runs around town.. OMG I love the way these feel!! Very stable and secure, the car has at least 18-20 IHP added !!
By February, I might be going through a similar experience. Scary.
Well, if you do sell them, maybe we can talk about barter - aardvark pelts, or fossilized bear dung...something like that.
I must be tired. I'm saying some weird crap.
Bob
These appear to be replica gt3 seats, not OEM/Recaro (please correct me if i'm wrong). I looked at a set myself, and the price is tempting but you get what you pay for. The replica seats are not crash tested, not FIA approved, etc. I would not run them in any car of mine.
Also do a search about fixed back seats and roll bars. Most agree you should run Fixed back seats with a rollbar. Again, the choice is yours but its your own safety.
I will say this once more again and leave it at that because I don't think this has the attention it's deserves. Seats are one of the most important safety devices in the car. They are designed to work as a system. Fixed back seats become more dangerous in the event of a roll-over and thus dictate the use of a rollbar. Not only this, but the replica seats will have inferior build and quality. The seats undergo no research/design/testing for impacts, they are simply made resemble the finished product, GT3 seats made by recaro.
here's a boxster crash test to watch and think about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K4OvtmR7bo
That being said, they certainly look alright, and will keep you in place. Your safety is compromised to something below that of stock seats, as long as you are okay with that. I do track events, scuba dive, certainly take risks I think are worth the enjoyment i get back, it's each person's call to make.
Regards,
Because fixed back seats are not designed to collapse or divert the occupant downward in the event of a roll over. Therefore, increasing your risk that your spine/scull being crushed or disconnected. Non fixed back seats are designed (at least with BMW's to collapse and divert the passenger down into the footwell) to do that. Hense, it is highly recommended that when installing fixed back seats, that a roll bar or cage accompany the installation and is the conventional wisdom of pretty much every track guy I've talked to when the subject came up.
Luckily I'm not fast enough yet to really need to worry about that yet.
So guys in Europe driving their M3 CSL's (same recaro shell) and who ordered the GT3 with optional GT3 seats but didn't get the clubsport cage are driving around in death traps? Cage wasn't even an option on the CSL yet the factoy sells it with a fixed back seat.
If you're usind them with stock 3-point belts it's generally accepted to still be fairly safe. When you add Harness' to the equation that's when you better have the roll bar in there.
There's several great debates about this in the track / DE forum.
Andy
+1 on the mats for sure
rear seats are a slippery slope, might look good, might look too broken up, but will cost you rear mats and lord knows how long before you buy a carpet dye kit. No one will ever notice, I vote leave em savannah in the back for now.
I would spend that money painting the center console in exterior color, that'll really be noticeable to you daily
Yep that's right and lets not forget 964 RS, 993 RS, 964 speedster, GT3 (euro all have bucket seats), CLK black series, 360 stradale...... Must I go on??
I agree with the black (factory-style) floor mats front and rear for now (not the carpeting). Small price to pay in case you change your mind about the seats. Rather than switching the rear seats, leave them alone, and get one of those "floor mats" (in black) that covers the seat backs when they are folded down. That will tie the black front and rear without doing anything permanent. Might also be fun to change the front seat belts to black if you take it one itty-bitty step further. The console painted gloss black is a nice tie-in as well, but you can't reverse that thought easily.
My 2001 996 was ordered with a GT Package option (I still have the window sticker attesting to its authenticity - I just don't have that car anymore). Part of the package was a set of Euro GT3 seats which were dealer installed by Brumos (and totally not available here as a regular option). They were genuine factory racing Recaro's matched to the car interior including stiching and Porsche crest. They were shipped in a separate box, along with several other Euro-only bits.
I loved the seats at the track.
But they got tiring on the daily trek, or on long drives, because they did not allow any way to recline them just a few degrees.
I will add that the GT Package included the nicely polished roll bar. Not sure if it was for street safety, or because the car was expected to be driven at the track.
While I can appreciate that, after seeing what was left of a friends M3 at Summit point and how level his car's roof was with his hood and trunk, I'd rather wait to install a roll bar with the fixed buckets. He ended up rolling and hit a tree (with the roof portion of the car. Amazingly enough, he and the instructor walked away. Of course, they had to be cut out of the car. Thankfully, the stock seats gave and they was diverted into the foot well area. That's of course assuming that I get fast enough to worry about that.
For me, better safe than sorry.
Can't blame you for wanting to be safe. I just wanted to make sure both sides of the argument were heard. In one of the DE / Track forum threads about roll bars there was a reference to structural integrity in modern cars and what it basically referenced was that the roll bar does very little help in most roll over scenerios. Where it's really a life saver is if the car impacts something or his hit by another moving object in that roof area while it's anywhere other than on it's 4 wheels. The Rollover your friend had is a perfect example of never being able to predict what's gonna happen in those situations.
The other thing to consider is that once you put a roll bar in a street cat you should at a minimum wear 5 or 6 point harness' on every single drive. Without them on every drive your just aksing for a head injury in the event you get in an accident that causes your head to come into contact with that roll bar. The "best case" secnerio would be helmet and 6 points on every drive in any car that has a roll bar. Might freak people out at the light next to you or in the grocery store parking lot though!
Andy
Funny you mentioned this as there is a long standing discussion very similar on the BMW forums (can you tell that's where I came from?). It's a difficult question as where do you draw the line? If you are fast enough to require that sort of equipment, shouldn't you consider a dedicated car as a car with roll bar/cage requires harnesses etc and for the street there are safety considerations too if you are to drive it frequently. I agree while my friends incident was what I would consider rare, I tend to be more conservative on safety for track events than others. Many share the attitude, can't you put a price on your life mentality locally and push, for the equipment with the attitude of better to have it and not need it than, need it and not have it. Especially, at Summit main where there is so little run off.
Driving my friends club car around on the street is entertaining. Never driven a car so slow as cops are on you like white on rice.
I struggle with where to draw the line all the time. Right now the interior of my 996 is completely stock and since my wife drives it more than I do on the street I have a hard time justifying all of the stuff that should be in there for the track.
However I know I'm going quick enough on the track that I should be protecting myself better.
Sadly the only real solution as you mentioned is a dedicated track car. Until we all reach that point everything else is a compromise.
My guess is that this is actually less safe than stock. Looks like an "add more metal" here aproach... The car might make it thru a crash, but the passengers could get the beating of a lifetime!
not bad! you know what would really balance it out... black carbon fibre trim pieces for your centre console and the radio surround... that would give your seats and interior that "custom" look while appearing more integrated... black floormats would go nicely as well.... and a lot easier to keep clean!
how do you like the way the car drives with the GT3 seats?
Thanks for the info and imput. Here is the run down. I probably paid too much for these. I am not sure who makes them but they dont look like Maxspeed to me (at least not current pics)
The kids (ages 9 & 10) are able to get in the back w/o any trouble and say there is more room for thier legs now. The seats are incredible feeling (although I have only about 100 miles in them so far)
It really transformed the way the car feels a lot more than I would have guessed. I have been driving in the snow and the way the seats hold you in place is awesome. I was kind of hoping to re-sell them after giving them a try, but there are 2 problems with that... (1) I already said, I paid too much and (2) I really think it will be hard for me to remove them because they feel so awesome.
That said, does anyone have an idea what they should be worth in case I opt to sell so I know what is fair to ask for them
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