Anybody using a Brey Krause harness mount?

Are you happy with it? Best place to get one? I shopped on the BK website and it says I need R1029 Kit and would like to hear any comments (pos and neg) about the BK product. Thanks all!

I got one with the M3, but haven't tried it yet.

Did you order it through BMW?

I was happy with it for what I originally intended t for: mount the 6 point harness while keeping the stock seats. I take it off after the event so I can again have acces to the back seats, then put it back on for the next event. Takes all of 20 minutes. After a time, with more knowledge about safety issues regarding harness mount vs roll bar coupled with stock seats vs seats with an anti-sub hole, I no longer use it as a harness mount. It's now a very expensive camera and lap timer mount . I have the 1029. If you intend to pursue it, you will have to get the tunnel side and door side harness brackets as well, 9001/9004 and 9003. If you get GT3 seats, those will come with their own sub-belt hardware.

Previous owner gave it to me.

Thanks Palting! Could you please clarify what you mean by safety issues and why you know longer use it? Not sure I quite follow. What is your setup for the track now? Thanks for the input!

There are several threads, both here and in the racing forum, where this issue has been hotly debated. The issue revolves around the harnesses keeping you upright in a roll-over and roof collapse, vs the stock 3 points where you can lean over to one side. You have some protection with a roll bar, none with the harness bar. I still contend that the B-pillars should hold up in a roll over, but cabs like yours don't have B-pillars. However, you do have the pop-up bars. The flip side of the issue is safety of the roll bar on the street. Some claim significant head injury can result in a parking lot fender bender if the unhelmeted head should hit the roll bar. Roll bar padding is not a protection. Supposedly. Anyway, take your pic among the opinions. I can get pretty secure by locking the 3 point belts and then pulling the seat forward. I have also decided that the rest of the stuff with harness bar and 6point harness is too much hassle for a questionable benefit and questionable increased risk. I just bought the tequipment roll bar and am currently wining and dining the wife for a pair of GT3 seats .

Makes sense. I used the hardtop when I am at the track for added security so I am thinking I might go with the harness mount and 5/6 point harnesses. Thanks again.

Very good points!! Thanks for bringing this up. :tumbup:

Palting, we just put the tequipment bar in, fits very nice, only the backseat passengers might bump their heads. I would just get some padding for the bar. It was the teq 4-point bar w/o x-brace.,it was a bitch to install, check out renntech diy on this one and be sure to switch out the bolts. The bolts supplied are terrible and have a propensity to crossthread easily, just replace with some grade 8 or chrome moly 7/16 NC bolts. Strangely, this is the only part of a 996 that uses nonmetric bolts, must be farmed out to a US manufacturer or a highway safety reg that requires a 7/16 bolt.

Palting, FWIW brandywine porsche who had the best price for the seats may have run out of it, I think suncoast may have some left ?????, this is info from another tracker who saw my set-up and bought it from brandywine, and he had said he got the last pair of gt3 seats from them. I know this type of scare tactics work, having heard Chris say they may be stopping production of X73's I'll be placing my order monday , I called yesterday and Noel was'nt there. So, i'm pretty sure you'll be trynig to find a set soon . FYI, the gt3 seats do not come with the sub-belt bar, you'll have to purchase them seperately, either tequipment (cheaper) or brey-krause (Allows the mounting of a fire-extinguisher). Jeeva

Thanks, jeeva. "Running out", "stopping production" doesn't really faze me anymore. There's always something else to get. If it's that good, there will always be a market. Where there's a market, there will always be supply. If not, then there's probably something better that's selling better, that's why no more production on the lesser product. Anyway, my big quandary right now is, which car to mod for track? If the 987S will be the track car, it doesn't make sense to keep throwing mods on the C4S. OTOH, the performance potential/limit is theoretically higher on the 911 vs the 987, so maybe I should keep modding the C4S. Or, go for a used/new GT3 in a few years, so save the money for that. Right now, I'm sorta dreaming of the third option .

Just did the o2C2 for the 04 GT3. It's more then you can hope for!!! One of the best moves I ever made!

I have one in my 996 coupe and have been using it for a couple of years now at DEs. While I understand the safety issues around trapping you upright, the benefits of a 6-point harness on the track are immense. As others have said, it is very easy to put in and take out (and keeps the rear seats available) and is well engineered and completely solid once everything is bolted in. I know a bunch of people that have them for DE/track days and everyone is happy. I bought mine at OG-Racing who I highly recommend. I also got the inside/outside belt BK mounts so the lap belt clips in/out easily. I just helped someone get a similar setup and they found the mount on ebay for ~$100 -- they do get sold there and tend to go cheaply.

Graeme.....what are the inside/outside mounts? Thanks! I am just trying to figure out everything I would need in addition to the mount. I assume I will have to go with 4 point instead of 5/6 because I am just going to use the standard full power seats and 1) there is no seperator in the middle of the seat for the sub belt(s) to come through and 2) no sure if the sub belt mount would even fit under the full power seat. Anybody have experience with this setup?

They are BK R-9001 and R-9003 -- they allow you to clip in/out the lap-belt. R-9003 goes under the seat belt anchor on the door side and R-9001 goes under the seat belt anchor on the seat. They are expensive, but worth it. I have the full power seats and what I did was mount the sub belt under the seat runners -- the only issue here is that the torx bolts that hold the runners are a little short, so I had to get some longer bolts (since I did this I notice that the >2002 torx bolts are actually longer so you could use those since I had problems finding replacement bolts). So this gives you 6 point which works well -- the only issue is the sub cuts into my thighs a little. I have also seen people use a bracket that doesn't interfere with the power seats and brings the sub belts in towards the center of the seat. I haven't been able to find anywhere that sells this (and its not the BK sub-belt mount). You have to use subs -- its dangerous otherwise.

Wow! Thanks for the quick response Graeme. I have an appt with my local Porsche indep shop later this week so I will go over it all with them. Thanks again for the help

IMO using 6-point with the stock seat is unsafe, you need a proper seat like the gt3 seats or Recaro's. It's probably safer to leave the 3-point belt than change anything at all. Jeeva

One of our local certified instructors has the 5 point setup in his car with the standard seats. I am going to check out their setup again this Saturday at our PCA breakfast. I'll take some pics.

LVDell, You can use a 6 point with standard seats. What you do is clip the sub belts to the same inboard and outboard mounts as the lapbelts. You place the sub belts on the top surface of the seat cushion and sit on it. You bring the sub belt buckle up between your legs and snap everything in place. It is very similar to a parachute harness that goes between your legs. They only issue that I have had is that the eye of the inboard BK mount is a tight fit for bot the lap belt clip and the sub belt clip. Cheers, PS I forgot to mention that my 6 point harness is a Schroth. Very high quality, very comfortable.

Thanks Fred. Is this the setup you have?

Yes I have this setup for my TT.

Do you have any pics that you mind posting or PM me? Thanks Fred!

Just a thought. You must be crazy to use a harness with the stock seats. The most dangerous part of the whole thing is the shoulder belts probably won't stay in place in an impact. You are much safer with the standard belts unless you change to a proper seat.

I have to disagree with you on that one. Keep in mind I am just a DE guy with maybe less than a doen track days under my belt and I am basing my opinion on what I have read heard and what I have seen and experienced in others cars with the EXACT setup I am looking to go with. I took several hot laps with my instructor in his car with the "standard" seats and it was perfect. Why wouldn't the shoulder belts stay in place? They have a limited area they can move on the harness mount anyway (about an inch of movement each direction on the bar before hitting the end of the mounting point side) and the shoulder harness doesn't rest on the seat. The hole in the GT3 seats is so the shoulder harness belts get to you at your shoulder since the top is so high for head support.

While I agree that the holes in racing seats are not there to hold the belts, they are there to allow the belts to be kept at the correct width off the bar.

Looks like this mount does exactly that though (keeps them in proper width).

What about the belts as they have to make their way around the seatback? Listen, you can do whatever you want, you are a big boy, but maybe you should take a look at some of the safety threads on the racing section before you go ahead with something that "seems" to work for your previous instructor

Dell, Anything is possible. We just want to make sure any decisions you make are informed decisions. Here's some info you can chew on. My Shroth 6 point harness came with very precise instructions on how to install the belts. All bets are off if the instructions were not followed to the letter. Here's some more

Last one: Hope this helps make any decision you make an informed one. I don't need to remind you that fatalities do occur in DE.

No reminder needed here. Many thanks! I want to make sure I make the best decision possible without overkill for the intended use. I am going to have some lengthy chats with my guys down at the shop that are experienced racers and instructors. Safety is #1 with them so I will explain fully what I want to use my setup for.

Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. Here's one way to hook up the lap and anti-sub strap to the inboard BK mount. The hole was too small for both, so I used a 1,000 lb test connector. Brave and maybe foolish souls we are sometimes, huh?