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YOUR RESEARCHDealer Won't Allow PPI?
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slight oil leak
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Only issue was a slight oil leak which the dealer will repair.
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I got a great price on it if it was clean, but because of the damage i it turned out to be a fair price.
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2) Check the bolts holding on the doors and engine lid.
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I may have just been lucky, but it worked out fine for me.
I am in the process of purchasing a certified pre-owned 2002 C4 from a local Porsche dealership(my first Porsche). Before scheduled pick up this past Weds., I asked if the car could be brought to my mechanic(1 mile away). Begrudgingly, the salesman agreed. Approximately 2 hours later I recieved a call from the salesman stating that I would not be able to pick up the car that day, because during the CPO inspection(car was not originally theirs) they found that it needed new breaks,and one tire needed to be replaced. The pick up is now scheduled for this coming Mon. I was surpised, when I once again called to request a PPI, when the salesman said that the car was now ready for delivery and that it could not leave the shop. I am a bit leary now, is the fact that the car is Certified Pre-Owned adequate, or should I now insist on the PPI?
Exactly what should the PPI be looking for?
True, however it seems as if they are trying to hide something. Even though the car has a clean Carfax, it does ellimnate the possibility of cash paid body work or repairs.
If the car is as clean as they say what's the big deal?
A CPO will not cover everything! If there is something a PPI would have discovered that a CPO would not cover would mean the dealer would have to take care of that BEFORE you take delivery and they do NOT want to do that, trust me. They have NOTHING to gain and just more $$$ to lose. Dealers are a whole 'nother breed. Soem a good but the vast majority are in the used (oops, I mean pre-owned) business for a reason--they make larger profit margins.
Is it a C4S? Do yourself a favor and walk away or take another couple grand off your offer if they won't let it happen. I bought a certified car, and did not get a ppi or even a carfax. I was told there was no damage to the car, etc. Turns out the car was hit. It was on the fax. I didn't think i needed it. It is still CPO, i have the papers from porsche, and a year later and 30,000 miles later no issues other than RMS. I got a great price on it if it was clean, but because of the damage i it turned out to be a fair price. I may have pushed for more off or had them through some stuff in if i knew at the time. The dealer actually offerred to take the car back if i wanted, but would not give me any money back, but i decided to keep it. If the car was hit, the value will be diminished. Doesn't mean you should not buy the car, if you are planning on really driving it, and not hoping to hold real value. It should still be coverred under the original warranty, so if you pick up little things you can get them fixed before you are left with only CPO coverage.
Hope this helps; out of curiousity, which dealer is it?
Jeff
It's a C4 Cabriolet(not C4S). Car appears immaculate and the CarFax is clean. However, that won't show any cash repairs. I am not sure if there is any law in effect in NY allowing a PPI.
Rather not give the name of the dealership( Long Island).
Get a PPI done, no matter what. Not only will it give you a peace of mind but it may uncover unknown issues. Best $150 I ever spend on a PPI uncovered body damage from an accident, the car had a clean carfax and low milage.
Hmmm, I purchased my '02 as a CPO and I did not get it PPI'd. I just drove and inspected the car myself and I figure the warranty will cover any problem that I might have missed. I may have just been lucky, but it worked out fine for me.
However, your request is reasonable and I suspect that if you make it a "deal breaker" the dealer will fold and give in.
Good luck!!
cpo inspection is pretty pathetic, it checks for stuff like recalls, maintenance records etc. It definitely doesn't check for prior bodywork. that's probly done on purpose to remove Porsche and dealer's liability.
i would not buy it without a ppi. you may get a car with repainted body parts or serious mechanical issues.
cpo warranty is not the same as new car warranty. it doesn't cover many electronic failures. on a cab, you should make sure the car is rattle free - not sure if it's under cpo warranty but that's the reason for a majority of my dealer visits.
nice car is hard to come by. however, i am sure if you insist the dealer will alllow ppi. offer to have him drive the car to a shop if he's worried about you taking it out for a day. i would not negotiate on prices before a ppi report is done.
ppi should cover mechanical inspections, body inspection. some ppi does not do compression test and some do. those $150 ppi are more visual inspections for leaks etc. a more comprehensive ppi around $250 will cover compression test, test drives, taking stuff apart (like plugs or front trunk carpet out).
I pushed the issue, and the salesman brought the car to my mechanic. Car is clean, no bodywork etc..
Only issue was a slight oil leak which the dealer will repair.
I will soon have my C4(mon) and therefore my own avatar. Can't wait!
Thanks all for the input!
Crash damage is fairly easy to find.. so at least do your own simple tests:
1) Check for the stickers under the hood. There should be a white one center near the front, and two metalic ones ( at least I think it's two ). If there are no stickers or they look as if they've been removed from one hood and stuck on this one then there has been some damage.
2) Check the bolts holding on the doors and engine lid. If the paint has been disturbed by a wrench, then they've been removed and you need to dig more.
3) The Porsche underseal is a clear bubbly type coating. It is sprayed all the way to, and including the lip of the rear fenders.. In other words, if you put your cheek against a rear wheel and look at the underside of the fender, you should see that bubbly undercoat painted over the paintwork all the way up to the edge of the fender.
That covers quite alot. I walked away from 3 cars with just these checks.
Keith
Rear Main Seal leak. Alot of 996s have it. Supposedly the newest seal works and should end the problem. It is covered under your CPO and is not IMHO as big a deal as some make it out to be. Good luck with the new ride, drive hard have fun and get a fabspeed exhaust Long Island needs more loud Porsches
your dealer is obviiously not disclosing everything. they should have know about the oil leak but didn't want you to find out. take the vin and get a print out of warranty history on this car. it's something every porsche service department can do. if rms was done under warranty before, you have a repeat rms which you should seriously consider another car instead even if this one is cpo.
to give you an idea, rms repair is about $1200. repeat rms (3x), pretty much means you should get a new engine ($$$$$). while a single rms incident isn't the end of the world, multi RMS w engine will break your bank and cut the value of the car significantly even after putting a new motor in.
there is no cure to rms. there has been over a dozen rumors before about each rms seal, procedure. each of previous attempts have failed.
