is it stupid to trade '04 40th Anniv C2 for a 96 993TT??

I almost traded my car in today, but I told the dealer I really need to think about it. It might be the wrong forum to ask this question...but here goes: I have a 2004 40th Anniversary 911 (MSRP $93,000) with 5,300 miles. I can trade my car in for a 1996 993TT (44,000 miles) with about $1,500 in cash back. Am I crazy to trade my car for a car that's 8 years older? The 996 feels like a luxury car with *****. The 993 feels like an unrefined street fighter that you don't want to take home to mom.

Depends on how you plan to use it, IMHO. Drive it a lot, daily. 996 Drive it rarely, weekends or track only. 993TT

Keep the 996 40th, To me they are way nicer and more refined...Porsches are getting better and better w/ each new generation. Do you really want to trade down? The cost of upkeep on the 993tt may be something to think about too. Keep the new car and your new car warranty...Just my .02 cents

what he said

Keep the 40th, newer IS better. I never buy used.

that 993tt was a pleasure to drive though.

Keep the 40th, its one of my favorite P-cars thats come out in the last few years. Lou

The maintanance on a 993 TT is astronomical in comparison to a 996, very expensive to fix and out of warranty. My friend has a' 97TT, started smoking a little, so far the bill is over 10K and it still ain't fixed. The 40th is a true 911, one of the best ever made, I would have gotten one instead of mine had I known they were right around the corner, should have waited.

No, keep your 996 ani. 993 maint is higher and TT doesn't help. it's not that fast compared to your ani. plus your car is virtually new, enjoy it!

Obviously you have never driven a 993TT. It is night and day.

No I haven't and probly never will The turbo kick is something that can't be replicated by a NA engine. However, the M96 has a linear power curve that I am pretty satisfied with. As for 0-60 or quarter mile time, I think you are talking about 0.5s difference at most.

i'd stick with the 40th thw 993tt is a beast, but you'de prolly start longing for the comfort of the 40th. How about a 996TT? i love all porsches, but after you drive a turbo...there is no other substitute. Especially when you factor in the easily extracted HP with just ecu tweaks...

You're not crazy at all. Infact, I do get that feeling myself of selling my 996 turbo S and getting a 993 turbo, or turbo S. I haven't acted on it but it keeps on surfacing once in a while. Last time that happened was last week when I saw an ad for a 993 turbo S being sold by RPM and nearly fainted. If you can get a good price on your 40 anni, sell it and get what your heart desires. You might inspire me to do the same thing.

Since the cost is about the same, the market equally desires both. Buy whichever one will provide you with the most enjoyment. The 993TT is the last of the greatest air cooled racecars , and the 40th anniv is the apex of the non turbo 996 liniage. Do you prefer comfort or raw energy? IMO,the 40th is a nice compromise of power and luxury, whereas the 993TT is pure raw energy. Where are you happiest?

mel, what color is the 993tt? with all the $ u've putting into the car u better not do it. it's not worth it.

Keep the 40th!

He sure is on the right track... Especially since I was checking out myself a Black 993 Turbo S today... Monster Testosterone machine came to mind... Truly awesome vehicle. But getting back to my 40th I realized the pure enjoyment of refinement and testosterone. I would add to C4S/914-6 list: Drive it a lot, daily + weekends + track - 996 40th Anniversary" Drive the 993 TT and decide for yourself. You can't go wrong either way.

the 993tt is an awesome car and a classic. i wouldn't trade a 40th for a 993, but for 993tt i'd give it serious thought. fwiw, the 993tt is very reliable and will go 140k miles easy before rebuild. i seen andial's handywork. they can make 500+ reliable hp (rebuild) from a tired old car. i pasted these from today's l.a. times: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo $69,980 45,339 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo $69,900 38,339 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo $66,800 44,077 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo $64,900 44,302 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo -- 46,966 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 $79,900 27,004 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 $79,900 19,811 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 $76,500 29,204 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 $75,000 33,435 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 $73,500 27,500 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 $68,995 49,781

are you talking about the one at autohaus west? if you are, make sure they change out the rotors and some other misc stuff.

40Anny, Just curious, how much are they offering for your car if you don't mind me asking?

The 993TT is a better overall choice! 1. Superior performance - TT with 408 hp is a blast to drive with AWD - the 996 feels slow and luxurious in comparison. 2. Better Investment- TT will hold it's value better than your 996. I bought my TT 4 years ago for $75,000 and could probably get 60-65K today. My 996 is only worth 30-35K with 15K miles. 3.Better Quailty-Air cooled and hand built-996 is mass prouced. A properly maintained and driven TT will give you no problems. 4. Fun Factor - I prefer driving my TT as a daily driver and DE car. In fact, I hardly drive the 996 . Even my wife and kids prefer the TT and refer to the 996 as "The Toyota". ---------------------------------------------- DinoS 96 TT 99 996 04 ESV 04 Ram 05 300 Hemi

Both Autohaus West and Phillips Auto have a black 993tt with around 44,000 miles. Premier something has a beautiful Guards Red but it's going for $79,000. Excellence Magazine say that a 1996 993tt should go for around $46k-52k and an excellent condition 993tt with low mileage should fetch $70k. Woud your friend consider selling his black 930 that you have in your showroom?

KBB has it at $71,000 (Private Party) which was my starting point, but it all got muddled when we began negotiating both cars at the same time. I know you are not supposed to do this, but those salesman can be so sneaky. I can't stand it when salesman insist that I drive my 911 every time I visit the dealership.

We are comparing a 993TT to a 996 anniversary. Your comparison of a 99 996 to 993TT is not entirely representative of the decision. 996 anniversary has many interior upgrades, power kit. It easily wins in my opinion in fit and finish in comparison to a 993TT's Buick-like dash. Investment-wise, both cars will be collected. 993TT and 996 anniversary are both the last of the model years. Your comparison in depreciation is due to the fact that you bought your 993TT as a used car which depreciated already when you bought it. Your 99 996 is also the "worse" 996 given its first year of introduction that has had complaints. 996 anniversary addresses all those complaints short of RMS issue. Not saying 993TT is not a good car. I think both are great cars to have. You'll get equal amount of looks. 996 is an easier car to live with and you have a new car that's under warranty. If you need more raw power and don't care if you have to pour more money in maint and repairs, 993TT is cool.

Good reply djantlive. Agree completely. Reminds me of: �If you can get people to ask the wrong questions, you don�t have to worry about what the answers are.� Thomas Pynchon

This is such a personal issue! I've been in the situation where to get a 993TT or a 996. I took the 993TT, and I can tell that here in europe you wont be able to trade a 996 to a 993TT. You can trade a 996 to a 993 and perhaps get $2-4000 in between, depending on version etc etc.. Depending on collection valute, I dont think a 40th 996 will stand a chance in the long run compared to a 993TT. I'm not saying this because I think one car is better than the other. But if you look at a customer purchasing the car, I think he/she fairly often dont value 40th anv. as much as it says Turbo on the back. But I dont want to push this issue, since the most important thing is what you gut feeling tells you. Does the 993TT makes your heart clap? If not, stay away.. Btw, Porsche didn't build crap when they made the 993 series. It's actually regarded as better build quality than the 996. I have not spent a cent on repairs so far. However repairing a 993 is more expensive than a 996. But dont say that it will "break down", it's just as good as a 996 if not better.

Investment-wise, both cars will be collected. 993TT and 996 anniversary are both the last of the model years. Your comparison in depreciation is due to the fact that you bought your 993TT as a used car which depreciated already when you bought it. weren't the remaining 40th aniv. cars discounted $10K-15K? i don't recall new 993tt ever selling at deep discounts. keep in mind, far fewer 993tts were built vis-a-vis the 996tt.

I believe the discounts were as deep as 17k in the end. Rob, did you decide to go with the 997S? Chris

Any time you buy and sell a car the dealer makes at least $5000. Pile on the taxes for another 5k and that's the amount of a supercharger. A SC'd 40th will walk on a 993tt. That said I also think that the TT will hold it's value much better. As stated above it's already seen most of it's depreciation. It's a more rare car and collectors love the top notch air-cooled 911s. In the long term the 993TT will hold it's value better but I am not sure that it can overcome the Trade-in and tax implications of switching as well as the maintenance costs of the older car. Just my .02c

As an owner of a 40th Anniversary, I'll chime in again. I must agree with the recent posts. And have to say that indeed, in the long run, I also believe the 993 TT will hold its value more so than a 40th Anniversary. Albeit any gains in value on the 993TT may be diluted with much higher maintenance and repair bills compared to the 40th. Don't get me wrong the 40th Anniversary, is certainly a pinnacle for the 996 line and can hold its own ground against the 993 TT (hopefully ), but unfortunately what may hurt its collectible value will be the fact that it was produced in great numbers (1963). These great numbers, the introduction of the 997, high MSRP value, presence of 996 GT3 (within the same price point), and introduction during an economical recession, also hurt their sales, and induced the high discounts. And this should be taken into account to understand the discounts, not that there is something wrong with the car. If someone has a number of how many 993TT were manufactured (and how many have survived) would be interesting. Just my 2 centavos.

Rob, did you decide to go with the 997S? i like em all but my new wife doesn't see it like i do maybe a 993tt

I'm not sure to what you are refering to, but if you put the same amount of money in a TT as you would in a 40th SC, performance wise you wont stand a chance against the TT. Normal tuning limits for the 993TT is 550hp and for the 996TT is 650hp. After that you will have to pour money into it to get more performance.

If it's a question of money, the 40th is only worth more this year. By this time next year, it will be worth less. In another five years, it will be worth less than have compared to the turbo.....

Goodness go with the 993TT....Usually the anniversary models are just a selling ploy to help move a discontinued model...Very limited in number are the 993TT's...look how well they are holding value and how well respected they are amongst Porsche afficionatos..... Some say its the best Porsche ever made!

Keep the anniversary, wait, get a 996 or 997 TT when you can

keep the 996 40th

The 993TT will be better as an investment, short and long term; it was built in very limited numbers compared to the 996. And although the 40th Anniv. had some very nice upgrades, it's still basically a very nice 996. That said, I'd MUCH rather have the 40th. Far better dynamics, more torque for real world driving (the 993TT is a slug off the line unless you practice clutch abusing launches), and it looks far better than the upright, 1950's vintage greenhouse on the 993.

I know what you should do.... get the 40th anniversary 993TT!!!

the 993TT is a slug off the line unless you practice clutch abusing launches slug off the line? you must be thinking of the 996. in fact, the torque is so fantastic on the tt, 1st gear is usless. i found myself short-shifting to 2nd when getting the most from that car.

40th Anny--Bruce in Excellence is horrible about valuing 993s--he must be smoking something, because the real market, meaning what people are paying for 993s, are generally CONSIDERABLY higher than what Bruce quotes as price ranges. I have not in the past year heard of a Turbo going for less than $60-65K...his estimate of $46-$52K is for a C4S or a C2S 993...trust me, don't believe his numbers... That said, the only right decision you can make is yours. The 2 cars are different in many ways, but similar in one--they are both Porsches, both immensely fun to drive and both will put a smile on your face. It really comes to styling, comfort, and personal preference....you can see which way I went by my Avatar, but you will know what works best for you--good luck and let us know if you decide to step over to the air cooled side

OK, I exaggerate a little bit, but the 993TT's relative advantage over many of its competitors was always greater in 0-100 runs than 0-60 runs; the physics of a relatively small motor on boost can not completely be overcome.. I guess you agree about the inferior chassis dynamics and upright VW windshield of the 993?

Last time I checked, the 996 40th also had a "small" motor? The 996 does have a better chassis. The windshield and overall looks is in the eye of the beholder.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me, 993tt for sure. I have driven both and there is no comparison on any level, a 996 is a nice series produced car while a 993tt is a hand built drivers machine.

You are going to dump an s-load of money into a 993 whether turbo or not. Wait a minute, am I missing something???? You can get an 01 996 turbo for high 60s mid 70s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

993 tt is not only going to go up in value, whereas the 40th is just a very nice 996 with extra hp...it will go down invalue even futher from here....but as a daily driver, the 996 wins hands down, the tt wins for pure rush and kick in the pants acc.....i would bet the tt if you your miles are low, if you use the car everyday, the tt is loud and a little rough...i had a na 993 and while it was fun, it sucked on the high way...that load aircooled whine gets old , esp at constant speeds....

While it's purely in the hands of the beholder, IMO the 993 is definately more of a drivers car. I have both to choose from and will drive the 993 more often than not over the 996. As far as maintainence costs, that issue has not been come to its full head yet. 993's have been around little longer and their issues are well known, but new 996 problems will or will not be cropping as they accumulate age and miles. Buy the 993tt to hedge the declining 996 market and keep the 40th. P.S. My 996 went out of warranty Thursday after a visit to the dealer for for a look over. The ignition switch failed on Saturday and is immobile in the garage, shucks, just have to drive the old reliable 993.

To each his own. I have an '04 anniv and prefer to drive it over my 993C4S any day. There is no right answer from the impassioned save what the poster desires to do anyway.

Please be a bit more specific where to dump an s-load of money on the Turbo. We at the 993TT board don't know where to dump it, if not mods. Perhaps you could develop your logic a bit more, so you could educate us in what we have completly missed.