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YOUR RESEARCHOil Failure Notice
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Oil Sending Unit, i had that Warning Light come on a few times, had the Unit replaced under CPO, never seen the light since
Clean sender terminals - still have same issue (intermitently)
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I tried cleaning sender terminals - still have same issue (intermitently)
Fill capacities and recalibrating the instrument clusters
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There are also a TSBs for certain model year cars about changing the oil filling capacities and recalibrating the instrument clusters.
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There are a couple of people here that did DIY - but looks kind of hard to get in there to replace (you need to rig up special tool - or get it on a lift and go in from bottom after removing wheel and heat shield - I think)
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There are a couple of people here that did DIY - but looks kind of hard to get in there to replace (you need to rig up special tool - or get it on a lift and go in from bottom after removing wheel and heat shield - I think)
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I was driving along today, pushing it here and there, taking some hard corners (not fast) and I heard this notification bell.
When I looked down, in the screen area there was a picture of an old squirt oil can and the words "Failure Notification"
What the heck does that mean ???
Wasn't hot - oil measured fine; any ideas ?
my sending unit failed....but when mine did, the oil pressure display dropped to ZERO for a time (when the light first came on) then it came back again.
Just had the same thing pop on my car... oil level and pressure gauge reading fine. This is the oil pressure sender? $72 @ Pelican. How easy is it for a DIY swap?
What did the oil pressure gauge read?
The AOS can crap out and create vacuum that can kill oil pressure as one of its modes of failure.
The sender could have died, but you need to take this seriously.
-The oil pressure is running about 3.2 bars at idle and increases to max as RPMs rise.
-Oil level is right in the middle of the acceptable range on the digital readout.
-AOS was replaced 2 seasons, ~6K miles ago
In taking this seriously, is it a fairly straight-forward diagnosis, or do I have to take it to the local dealer?
Unless you're proficient, it might be best to take it to a shop.
3.2 sounds way too high at idle, unless you mean cold start idle, in which case that is way too low, it should be 5 bars. It would help if we knew what year and type of oil you are running, as viscosity and ambient temperature can also affect oil pressures.
Could be the sender, could be scavange pump (unlikely), oil pump (unlikely), could be worn internals, there are a lot of could be's on the list and as Jake pointed out the AOS is a common source of failure I read about. But I think the sender is usually the least expensive to deal with.
Too bad it's a major PITA to change with the engine in car.
IIRC the easiest thing to do is remove the passenger muffler, and then you have a chance at getting to it where it sits atop the 4-6 cam cover by hand with a stub wrench or a perhaps a long extension with crows foot.
You can try to go in from the top, but you would probably have to drop the engine down a little to get any tools in there, and possibly remove the intake manifold, at the very most without any of the above you would be able to reach the connectors and clean them with sandpaper and then dielectric grease then re-connect to see if the condition changes.
There are also a TSBs for certain model year cars about changing the oil filling capacities and recalibrating the instrument clusters. (in one case underfill, in another case overfill).
Went for a drive today ('02 w/ Mobile 1 0w40). At startup, at idle, it was at 5 bars. At idle warmed up, it was below 3 bars (I think closer to 2).
I'll go have a look at the TSBs.
Thanks for the information.
In Renntech TSB 1716 was "Blue Smoke from the Engine During High Transverse Acceleration"
Interesting read as I've experienced that problem too... scrolled through the TSBs and couldn't find anything on the Oil Pressure Sender.
My '02 does this as well. Normally pressure guage starts at 4-5 bar idle - after warm up is around 2 -3
(mobil 1 0W40)
Once is a while the guage dies to zero - warning message comes on and then after 30 secs or so it jumps back to 5+
Car is running fiine
PO reported that to dealer - but they couldn't reproduce at the time - so nothing done
I tried cleaning sender terminals - still have same issue (intermitently)
The sender is a $70 part and about 1 hr labor to change- so I will do that soon
There are a couple of people here that did DIY - but looks kind of hard to get in there to replace (you need to rig up special tool - or get it on a lift and go in from bottom after removing wheel and heat shield - I think)
For some reason I had oil level mixed up with oil pressure. The title of the thread threw me off. Anyways, the TSB is pertinent for the 2002 model as the OP has.
On a different note the oil level sender is also a major pain to get at with the engine in. The psngr intake manifold must come off, possibly the A/C. And probably drop the engine a little bit to gain access to the long multi function sensor.
It sits on top the 4-6 cam cover.
You can use a crows foot on a long extension and get at it from the bottom.
With the psngr muffler and wheel out it might be accessible with a stub wrench and a small hand.
From the top you would have to remove the psngr intake manifold, and probably including the A/C, which is a major PITA.