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What makes no sense to me is why the dealer wouldn't have replaced the obviously missing switch.
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After reading about how the system works that would have been an easy check box on the order sheet.
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I found a 2003 Cab for sale with 8.3K miles on it. Besides the top switch being pushed into the horseshoe there is also no PSM switch. Wouldn't a 2003 have a PSM switch? The console switches don't seem like they would be a problem do they just pop back in? It looks a little dusty possibly parked with the top down for awhile. Other than that it looks like a beautiful car.
Thanks,
Dan
2002 M Roadster - looking...
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thats wierd, maybe you should look at the option sticker under the hood... it should of been standard. PSM is usually the first button top left of the horsehoe!
Danit, first of all, Welcome to Rennlist! That is a nice looking car you are considering.
As
Gaspasser19
said, PSM was an option on n/a 996's. It was not standard until the 997's were introduced. My 2004 C2 does not have PSM.
I don't have a Cab, but I think the missing switch could be the switch to raise/lower the Cab Top. You are correct, the switches are easily popped in/out from the upper center console (a.k.a. horseshoe). You can slide a plastic spatula (to minimize scratching) behind the lower end of the horseshoe and pop the plastic clips loose. Then work you way around the horseshoe until it is completely off. I am just guessing here but it could be that the switch came loose and fell behind the horseshoe. If the switch is broken and will not snap back into the horseshoe securely, you can get a replacement switch from a Porsche dealer for about $30 to $35.
How much are they asking for the car? I am guessing that this car is not at a Porsche dealer, because I can't imagine them showing this car with a missing switch. Is this a private sale or used car lot? If you are seriously considering this car, get a PPI (pre-purchase inspection) completed on the car. It will cost you $250 - $300, but could save you big $$$$ if there is something wrong with it.
Give us a little more information about the car and we can help you determine if it is a decent asking price. If you supply us with the option codes from the sticker under the hood, we can also tell you what options the car has on it.
Again, welcome to Rennlist.
Thanks for the info Tim. I'm going to go look at the car today. You are correct that this is not at a Porsche dealer, but within an auto group that does have a large dealer in Dallas. That kind of makes me question why they didn't send it there and get it certified. The PPI will solve that question. They have it listed for 53,900 which is the high end. Take a look at it here.
http://park-place-auto-group.ebizaut...px?iid=2434972
Thanks,
Dan
That is super-low mileage, but I was at an indy retailer/repair place this w/e picking up an oil filter and saw a 2002 black cab with 35K miles and an asking price of 44,000. Owning a 2002 cab myself I was a little discouraged to see that kind of price. But it is winter, and cabs don't get a premium this time of year.
Michael
Wow, interesting point about PSM. I do fall into the little experience with a rear engine handling cars or more like none. After reading about how the system works that would have been an easy check box on the order sheet. Oh well. The DSC on the M Roadster doesn't seem to kick in too much. This is what makes finding a car half the fun.
Dan
Good grief, it's heavy in the *** but it isn't like it wants to swap ends with every touch of the brake or turn of the wheel! PSM really isn't needed, or even desirable as long as you pay a modicum of attention to what is going on around you.
Dan, my 2004 C2 does not have PSM and this is my first Porsche, so I had not had experience driving a rear engine car since I owned a VW Beetle (the original one) years ago. No problems with control. Would it be nice to have? Yes. Is it truly necessary? IMO, no.
It is a nice looking and seeming well appointed car, but $53,900 is very high!
What makes no sense to me is why the dealer wouldn't have replaced the obviously missing switch. and the dealers add states: "nd is in pristine condition inside and out". WTF is pristine about having the cab top switch punched into the dashboard?
I'd certainly get a thorough inspection, and have them address the switch before purchasing. If you are paying ~$50k for a car from a dealer, all basic functions should be operational.
I have a cab too and that broken switch is indeed for controlling the top. Looks like it's working though since the pics show both top up and down. Eventhough it's very easy to replace, you should definitely ask Park-Place to replace it for you, should not be a problem. You should be able to ask them for full maintenance records, Carmax, PPI and fix any small things are not working if you are serious about buying this car. Good luck...
Don't worry about the switch. Boxster owners also sometimes push the top switch too hard and it pops out and behind the trim. The switch is still hooked up to the electrical connector. Just remove the trim and snap the switch back in.
Owners also hit the spoiler switch with their foot and it falls behind the fuse box, but that is another story.
Well I went and drove the car today and they had the top switch fixed when I got there. I don't know if any body has looked at cars on New Years Eve, but talk about pressure to buy today! I can't get a PPI done until Wednesday, so I didn't do anything. The car is really nice. The original owner bought it from the Porsche Park Place dealer new in 2003 and traded it for a Benz at Park Place. I gave my fairly good once over and don't see any problems.
It drove well. The steering was a little heavier than I expected, but I've been driving a Z3 or MZ3 since 98 so anything different is noticeable. The clutch "beeped" every time it was engaged. Don't know what is up with that. There was more leather damage to the seat backs than I would like. It looks like something was stored in the back seat for extended period of time.
Options:
I couldn't find the option list under the hood so the next best was the window sticker:
Special Cinnamon Brown Leather
Xenon
Heated Seats
Bose Sound
18" Lt Allow Carrera wheels
Windstop (but I didn't see this)
Hardtop delete
More than likely this will be mine on Wednesday unless problems found during the inspection.
Thanks all,
Dan
Dan - there is usually an option sticker placed on the front inside cover of the Maintenance Manual. Check for that next time you go to look at the car. If and when you make 'em an offer, low ball them big time and see how much they move.
