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YOUR RESEARCH996 a real 911? Screw Hershey Swap Meet!!!
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I believe Porsche changed the model name to 911 before it officially went on sale.
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The profiles were exactly the same ones used on the "offending" T-shirt, including the windowless 997.
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I suspect PCA wouldn't be too happy with his flippant answer to my email either.
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Also, if you've read Motor Trend recently, they tested a 997 Turbo S and mentioned "Considering that the 997 is really just a refresh of the introduced-in-1998 996 platform, this final, fastest iteration is massively impressive."
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I guess the 996 isn't a real 911 after all. Check out this years official Hershey swap-meet shirt.
I for one am boycotting this years Hershey swap-meet. That will show them!!!
I can't believe they show the 901 on the shirt and not the 996. Oh well, fu*k em!!!
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They probably figured the 996 and the 997 were so close that they'd only put one on the shirt. It's still stupid - they should have taken the 901 off and put the 996 on.
The 996 was the real fundamental design change, the 997 was more of a derivative of the 996. The 991 is again a fundamental design change. However if you look at the historical development of the 911 series the 996 probably represents the most fundamental change in design in the entire history of the series.
+1000
Dharn, I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the shirt, the 996 should definitely have been included.
The point is, however, it was a completely intentional snub. Including the 901 and not the 996, really CPA? Not another penny from me...including AX. HAHA
Apparently 997's don't have windows. Anyone else notice that?
Also, if you've read Motor Trend recently, they tested a 997 Turbo S and mentioned "Considering that the 997 is really just a refresh of the introduced-in-1998 996 platform, this final, fastest iteration is massively impressive."
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1sLjKjp7l
This is the Central PA PCA President's email address.
[email removed]
The snub sure looks intentional to me. Please join me in wearing his *** his *** out about it.
That's a good point. I agee with you. Love it or hate it, it represents an important part of the evolution of the 911.
The 996 should have been on the shirt. I'm not sure what those a-holes were thinking...
Well, according to Porsche themselves...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhhcR...tailpage#t=64s
Who the heck are the "hershey swap" gang to defy Porsche themselves?
From the President of Central Pennsylvania PCA:
Now we have an even clearer picture of the attitude. Pretty professional. This is certainly how I would want the President of Chesapeake to represent my Chapter.
What did you write to him?
Although it is just a t-shirt, and I don't take it as a personal affront to my car choice, it is a horrible marketing decision.
How many 901 owners are going to buy the shirt and spend money at the event versus 996 owners who aren't?
OMG, does this mean that "THEY" think the 996 is a lowly VW? Wrong on too many levels. oh yeah, since the 996 is not a "real" Porsche....why are we still paying ridiculous Porsche mark-up for parts, etc.? Amazing how the 996 continues to get snubbed.....didn't Porsche do it too, with their rollout....the side shots of "all" the 911s, in Silver, EXCLUDING the 996, right?
So, I guess I must be content with my 996 "Volkswagen?"
Excuses:
1. We don't make the shirts.
2. Our receiving department didn't inspect the order before signing for it.
3. It seems we left a die hard air cooled employee in charge of t-shirt develpment.
4. Hello I'm your customer service located in India. How may we help you.
5. We are sorry but as soon as our new employee Ivangene we left in charge of t-shirts answers his phone we can't explain why.
No, Porsche didn't do it too. All the official 911 marketing material I've seen feature the 996 prominently. In addition to the video I posted earlier here's another one...
You Tube
But i am upset that it's a 996.1!!! NO love for the 996.2!! (just kidding)
and here's the full excerpt of the other video : scroll to 1:04
You Tube
well, thats one shirt I will not be buying. Idiots.
Like someone said, love it or hate it the 996 was a huge milestone in the evolution of the 911 line.
+1.
I had the same thought. Looking at the Hershey Swap Meet website, I thought, "Hey, cool looking shirt! I'll get one at Hershey."
Then, I clicked to zoom in on the shirt, saw the 996 snub, and thought, "Ok. I guess I
won't
get one of those stupid shirts."
First of all as Porsche owners themselves they should understand what passionate people Porsche owners are. To simply blow off the 996 crowd shows a fundamental lack of judgment or simple arrogance.
Second of all who the fck wants to go to something called the "Hershey Swap Meet" the only thing worse I guess would be the "Hershey Meat Swap".
Fck em.
I don't think there would've been a 997 without the 996! If its the big jump from a purist's "air-cooled" engine he's on about.. then they should chuck the 997 and 991 also! I say "he" and "him" because the guy who designed the t-shirt is a moronic bastard. Screw him! The event website acknowledges the 996 and groups it with 997 and 991.
I love my glorified Beetle! Hell, my love for Volkswagens and Audis is what lead me to Porsches in the first place. The engine is in a different place, but the engineering and parts all look familiar when I'm under the car.
Seriously though, omitting the 996 on that shirt was a really stupid decision from a marketing standpoint. Porsche sold more 996s than any of the previous generations, why would you snub a huge percentage of your target audience?
I soooooo want one of those 996 shirts!!!!! If you make a run of them please let us know.
As for the rest of this thread, I seriously doubt any of you are really, truly upset about this, are you? It's a frickin t shirt for heavens sake! And as mentioned, it's for a silly, albeit HUGE, east coast Porsche event; it's petty. I'll assume you all drive, drove, or will someday drive a 996 so who gives a crap if it got left off a t shirt?
The 996 and Boxster saved Porsche as a production car company.
The 996 GT-3 Cups and RSRs saved and then rejuvinated Porsche's racing program.
As a resident of Eastern Pennsylvania, I am not surpirsed to learn that some PCA'ers in Hershey do not know this.
We Pennsylvanians like to joke that our state has Pittsburg on one end, Philadelphia on the other, and Alabama in the middle.
Roadsessions:
I distincly remember a print add by Porsche. All the 911's (in Silver) lined up showing the front left corners....but no 996s.......maybe I'm wrong.
Yeah, you're right. "HUGE" may be overstating it a bit. I had an SC for a few years and would go up looking for stuff and noticed it was getting smaller and smaller each year. I haven't bothered the past 2 years.
The shirt is wrong on many accounts.
The 901 wasn't even really a model. It was what Porsche called the 911 before Peugeot cried foul on its allegation thatt it had the exclusive right to 3 digit car names with zeros in the middle in many countries. I believe Porsche changed the model name to 911 before it officially went on sale.
As for each model's importance, only the original classic 911 and 996 can claim to be revolutionary. All of the other 911 (964, 993, 997, 991) models can only claim to be evolutionary.
The 997 was little more than 996 with aesthetic changes for the first few years of its production.
The way it should be...
-Eric
P.S. Those 996 mock up T-shirts are great!
I'll take a couple of those 996 shirts if somebody actually makes 'em.
And no, I'm not truly pissed. Sh*t, we all know the 996 is superior in every way to its aircooled predecessors and that without the 996 there would be no 997 or 991. Jealosy is an evil b*tch.
I think the 996 and the 997 are the same car anyway... you can switch out the headlights hood and fenders in a few hrs... The reason the 997 conversion is so easy is it is basically the same car... Try bilding a 996, out of a 993... Not possible...
Other major car companies change lights, interiors, and engine sizes, and its just a newer model... Regardless, the 996 is Much more significant in the lineup, and should be in place of the (aesthetically revised 996) on the shirt...
IIRC a couple months ago, Porsche AG sent out a promotional item for the 991 intro that had those very profiles on clear mylar (or whatever) on a base that resembled a business card holder with lots of dividers. Viewed from the front at eye level, you saw those same red profiles, one on each "card". The profiles were exactly the same ones used on the "offending" T-shirt, including the windowless 997.
So first, I hope the CPA Region has written permission from Porsche AG for that T-shirt because the profiles are copywrited.
Second, the dufus who made the shirt proably got the profiles from the desk weights PAG/PCNA sent out. No more, no less.
So before we get too upset with CPA Region, remember that it is Porsche AG that is disavowing any knowlege of the 996.
The headlights are a little controversial, but honestly they are unique. The overall lines of the car are brilliant. I like the fact that there isn't a sharp edge anywhere in the lines.
It's like Hallie Berry in her Cat woman costume. Really nice curves no matter where you look.
Thunder, IIRC, the desk plaque thing referenced models by year, not model #, and referenced the 996 as the 1998, since that is when it debuted in Europe. I know that was discussed in a different thread on here, just don't remember which one.
As my great-grandpa used to say, "Haters gonna hate" (okay, maybe he didn't say those exact words, but it was something like that, sorta.) And if the morons running the Hershey event can't realize the significance of the 996 in Porsche's history, they are just that, morons.
A couple of weeks ago, I was getting gas after washing and waxing the car. A 30 something guy in a G37 at the next pump.
G37 guy: Wow. The new 911 looks better in real life that the pictures. (obviously not a Pcar afficianado)
Me: I hate to break it to you, but this car is 8 years old. It's 2 generations ago.
G37 guy: No ****. It's still beautiful.
The 996 will get it's due one day.
So I started reading this thread as a bit of a joke but y'know I"m pissed off a bit too. Fer crisesakes, they're ALL good. Now I'm biased as well since I've got one but the difference and upgrade from my 930 to this one is stunning. I sat in a 993 the other day (to look at that stereo upgrade) and was immediately taken back in time to a much more minimalist era. Bad? No. Not one bit, but I do prefer my car over the older ones. Pissed at PCA? Hell yes, including the response from them. As a representative they should know better. Question is, is this worth cancelling my membership over?
Oh, and I'll take a shirt too.....
The 996 is definitely better looking than the 991 with its bug eyes, Sirius pimple on its ***, and VW switch gear on the console.
Sorry. I had to get that out of my system.
It's just a bit refreshing to see some variant of the 911 being treated like the red-headed stepchild of the Porsche world normally reserved for the 928
Keep in mind that this was a response from the President of the Central Pennsylvania Chapter - the Chapter responsible for the stupid t-shirt snub. It wasn't from PCA Headquarters. I suspect PCA wouldn't be too happy with his flippant answer to my email either. All of my contacts with the National Office have been extremely courteous and professional.
Me too. Wanted one since I was a kid. Someday, I'm going to pull the trigger on one.
The promotional item you're talking about does list the 996 - as stated before it's the 1998 car (the year the 996 was introduced in Europe). And no, Porsche AG isn't the one disavowing....Look at all the 991 promotional material and videos and you'll see they prominently include the 996...
Anyway this whole thing is pretty stupid - I think the stupidity started as a bad T shirt design but now it's about the flippant attitude of the CPA region president who I am certain had to approve the T shirt design anyway - and who seems to disregard a very large percentage of his membership base.
Sorry about the mistake. I guess if I had actually got one of those promotional desk weights, I could have actually looked at it. Maybe it was the 997 crowd who was slighted. I dunno. But SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE on this web site was crying about the slight just a few weeks ago. Oh, well.
I remember the old days when people thought the 964 was "bastard child' That passed.
I also had many 944's, People used to call it the "Poor mans Porsche" I had a 911 as well but totally preferred the 951 day to day.
Who cares....
If I was a member of that chapter, I might feel slighted.
No club, Lone Wolf
My '04 996 Turbo Cab does it for me. No apologies, no other road going P car would make me enjoy the experience any more. A close second may be a 904 @ > $1M but I think I may tire of the ride.
i want the shirt in black, the logo in red....just the letters 996.....perfect! i'll buy one now!
well...maybe with "**** the hershey highway" in small letters on the back bottom edge....
oh, how fun this is.....
Dream Carrera: I bet you didn't see this post going 7 pages.
And I think we all learned something:
1. Don't mess with gang with the "fried egg" headlights.
2. Doing so will be like wrestling with a pig in the mud. You will end up dirty and the pig will enjoy it.
3. Everybody has a first love, and they will remain beautiful forever.
Someone get him the artwork!!
I definitely want a 996 shirt just like the one posted (tach, key on left), maybe in grey, blue, on a nice Beefy T all cotton shirt!
Hey Guys! I'm glad you like the shirt. I didn't think it would generate as much interest as it has.
I'm a graphic designer and have made a bunch of shirts for fun in the past and the idea just popped in my head for a shirt I would like to have.
Anyway, if there's enough interest, and it looks like there is, I can have these shirts made up and send them off to anyone who wants one. Cost will probably be around $20-$25 shipped to you. Just send me a pm with what size, color (White, Black, Navy, Gray) and how many you want and I'll get you my pay-pal info and an exact price when I know how many I have to order. I'll wait to order them until next weekend to give people time to see this and order if they want.
PM sent. This has been my favorite thread of the year so far.
llko, the way its going you might as well use those other shirts you bought to wipe your dipstick.
It's interesting that the CPA President runs a 987 Boxster (he may also have some air cooled varieties of 911s). Of course we know the 987 Boxster is so much more of a Porsche than the 996. He is also a fellow Rennlister that frequently posts to the Autocross forum.
I could care less about the original t-shirt but I would agree that his response wasn't exactly professional.
[QUOTE=ivygreen;9458061]Keep in mind that this was a response from the President of the Central Pennsylvania Chapter - the Chapter responsible for the stupid t-shirt snub. It wasn't from PCA Headquarters. I suspect PCA wouldn't be too happy with his flippant answer to my email either. All of my contacts with the National Office have been extremely courteous and professional/QUOTE]
Yeah okay but still.....don't let my anger disappear.....grrr......GGGRRRRRR......dang, I think it's gone......
Still love my car though and can't wait until the shirts get here!
Sure, it IS just a t-shirt, but if certain PCA chapters don't consider the 996 worthy of the list of real Porsches, then they must not want our support. Also, it's pretty rich how no one bats an eye at the inclusion of the 997. What did the 997 bring to the table, other than restyled headlights? Is that what all the 996 hate boils down to?
You guys are right, it is a snub! I wouldn't take it personally though. Their event T-shirts of the past have had some pretty big goofs, like the other year they honored the 911 and the only 911 pictured on the shirt was a 911 GT1.
The 901 shouldn't be on the shirt. They were prototypes that never saw production, the 996 should have been on there instead.
Here's a little something to raise you spirits, fresh off it's class win at Lime Rock 2006!
WHAT HE WROTE
Buddy,
Take a chill pill, would ya? It's a t shirt not a manifesto
Best regards
Alan Pozner
WHAT POZNER SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN:
Friends,
Boy, is my face red! We really blew this one, and I apologize to all the 996 owners out there. You have been (and are) an important part of our Porsche family, and I hope you'll come and join us for this annual event....we'd love to have you and you'll be welcomed with open arms.
Best regards
Alan Pozner
You guys sound a lot like this guy:
And Mr. Pozner's response reminds me of this:
BTW, that extra shirt I have, I've raised the price to $50. They are sold out and sought after on every other subforum except this one for some reason... So if you want it send me a PM fast before I raise the price again!
Awesome. I'm adding this to my database of response letters. I'm going to send it to my parents or in-laws when they send me an email about parenting. lol
-Eric
That letter is hilarious!
And just to get some things straight, the 996 is not the first watercooled 911. There were many Porsche-produced watercooled 911's beforehand. Not to mention a V8-powered one that nearly made it to production before 1990.
This comment isn't meant to be rude at all. Just enjoy your car! Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Wouldn't you all rather drive your car than argue about it?
All, be safe, have a good one!
Cheers
They ran out of room, you guys need to see the 996 underwear before you get mad.
The logo is on the inside back, its a matching set.
I think you will like it
In the end, I decided not to go to Hershey. It wasn't really about the shirt 'cause I just wasn't going to buy one. It came down to Poszner's ****ty attitude. I know I only cost CPA a whopping $10, but it's the principle of the thing. OK, so I didn't get to see a bunch of Porsches today. Instead, I'll have a beer and work on my 996.
CalvinC4S,
That is a very artful avatar you use! Problem is, it is an obvious insult to all of us here since it flagrantly and maliciously omits the 996. I am recommending BAN!
I have got to be the first up with an album from Hershey Park Swap Meet from today. Check it out
https://picasaweb.google.com/mikulmu...eSwapMeet2012#
I bought a nice white shirt with stitch in Porsche emblem and a Red rain type jacket again with stitched in Porsche words on it. Strangely enough did not see many 996 in the car parks. Maybe they did just boycott the meeting. I didn't lol. Anyway check the album , you just may see yourself or your car.
And THIS ^^^ , Ladies and Gentlemen, is why not going to Hershey because of an issue with a T-shirt, is a less than compelling argument.
Thanks for posting those pix, Hurdi!
As I interpreted the comments, it's not so much about the t-shirt as it is about the chapter president's response. A simple, "sorry about that; our mistake" would probably have made most of the complaints go away.
One has to wonder how representatives of an organization that is supposed to be devoted to and knowledgeable about Porsche cars could miss the first water cooled 911 produced.
Here's the response I received from the Swap Meet Chairman, when I emailed to ask why we were ignored. Very reasonable:
"I truly believe you do not understand the true foundation behind PCA.
Having been in the club for over 25 years and held most positions within our region and a few in National....the real foundation of PCA is the people and relationships that are created....the car becomes secondary.
The t-shirt and the entire event is organized and run by club volunteers....including the design of the t-shirt. In addition....a number of 911 model years were excluded do to size restrictions of the shirt.....not just the 996 was missed.
If you truly believe you should not come to the Porsche Only Swap Meet, because your model of the 911 was not included on the t-shirt design....then that is your choice.
I know for a fact...the true PCA member is about friendship, the events...and then enjoying these relationships through PCA events. A negative attitude such as you write.....truly is not in the spirit of PCA.
I know the spirit of our volunteers is positive and work hard to put on the best event they can."
^^^ Obviously holding a position in a PCA club does not require diplomacy. I mean I get the whole "its about the people thing" but this guy needs to know how to deal with ALL kinds of people, not just the ones who are sitting around parking lots blowing sunshine up each others asses abouth their cars.
And they're letting replicas in to the show now? I had a replica 356 that was done up as a 59 Carrera, it was gorgeous. I was told that I wouldn't be permitted to park it in the Porsche Parking because it wasn't real. I guess things have changed.
What a ****. Its very obvious when they include every main model from the 964 to 991 that excluding the 996 is deliberate, not a space issue, make all the cars smaller if its a space thing. Dickhole.
What other "911 model years" were omitted?
It included the 901 (concept - which wasn't even a model), 911, 964, 993, 997 and 991. Everything else was a variant (S, SC, RS, GT2, GT3, C2, C4, C4S, Turbo, etc.) of one of those models. Even the 930 was built on the original 911. What else is missing...other than the 996?
-Eric
The whole thing is silly. If they had left the 997 off the shirt because they ran out of space, then the 997 guys would be upset too. It's a pathetic excuse.
Oh, come on, the 959 was never called a 911. It was badged as a 959. Even the 930 was badged as a "Turbo" version of the 911.
The slant nose versions of the 911 didn't have round headlights. Were they not real 911s because they resembled the 935? The 996' headlights resembled the GT1's. So what?
I have no problem with people not liking the 996 design, preferring air cooled models or whatever. To each their own. To suggest that it's not a real 911, however, is just stupid.
-Eric
Mr. Pozner,
I know it’s just a shirt, but jeez – it’s such an important evolution of a great series of cars – all with quirks. A major change from the air cooled to the water cooled. I love them both, and to leave that off is pretty strange. Why the 996 and not the 993? My personal favorite is the 993 (looks wise) – but I went with the old adage “buy the newest one you can afford”. I have had a 66 Mustang, a 72 Benz 220D, 99 Honda Civic Si, an 05 WRX STi, an 08 G37, and now have the 04 40th AE and a brand new Hyundai Veloster. I follow the hobby pretty closely on all fronts, and this was a very odd choice IMO.
I am in the Northeast, but if I ever happen to have the occasion of living in the mid-Atlantic you won’t see any dollars from me for anything.
I’m not butt hurt, I’m just shocked – I haven’t finished reading about this – but I had to email you.
I KNOW it’s only a shirt…..
Think of your audience next time.
This isn’t personal, just feedback – take it for what it’s worth…
It all doesn’t “add up” as the shirt states IMHO.
Best regards,
Steve
Understood. I make mistakes often myself. I�m just usually professional in handling the communications and �damage control�. It�s a flaw in my personality, I�m a perfectionist and that causes me issues sometimes. I don�t like windmills, solar panels or algae � so I�ll go bathe in a tub of oil and wash this Internet dirtiness off of me :-)
Thanks for your reply, and congrats on selling the inventory.
Regards,
Steve
Steve
Are you and your fellows on the Forum aware of whata mistake is?
I think you will be happy to hear that the t shirts sold out. So there will be no more.
I suggest you find some other windmill to tilt at
Best regards
Alan Pozner
I'm not debating over whether Porsche shared some parts with the 911. The 959 was a race car made for the street in order for Porsche to comply with racing requirements. Was the Carrera GT also a 911? I don't think so but, arguably, it too shares some 911 lineage. Neither was sold by Porsche as a 911 model.
-Eric
Im not saying it shared parts, at all, Im saying the 959 was built from the 911 for Group B. So if you bought one of those 959's for Group B, it was actually a 911.
Unlike the 959, the Carrera GT was never made from a 911. So no, you cant make that conclusion from my comment.
I this really the response you received from the CPA PCA President?????
What an a$$.
I did not attend the Hershey meet yesterday and I will not attend this event in the future. Nor will I participate in any more of their AX events.
There are far too many other great events in my area to sweat missing any CPA activities.
I would have one if the logo reads under the car design and 996.. "Life itself started in water" If you can get those or at least see if the posters like this better, then I will PM you with an order. RED ON BLACK I like.
Heres an album I did at hershey the other day.
https://picasaweb.google.com/mikulmu...eSwapMeet2012#
Methinks the lady (ladies) doth protest too much, eh?
Perhaps we should just get over it. Was unlikely deliberate and in an attempt to CYA there were silly emails back and forth (including my own) that suggests we should get on with our lives.
You know what I know? I know this:
1. When I put my foot down on the accelerator, boy does that mother take off, and fast!
2. The 993 turbo in my garage at work is absolutely gorgeous.
3. The 997 turbo in my garage at work is absolutely gorgeous.
4. The 996 C4S in my garage is absolutely gorgeous.
It's spring! Let's go driving!
Ah, junk...it's raining.
Thus endeth the sermon. Let us move on.
good post do agree 100%
My brother came over, doesnt know Porsches very well and saw my C4S half under the tarp and said, wow those Porsches have such gorgeous lines. I looked and thought wow yes it does!!
Enjoy the cars, forget about one person.
lol this thread is jokes. Our 996 T-Shirts should read.
1) 996 Says "997 I Am Your Father"
or
2) 996 the reason why your 997 IMS/RMS Fails HAHA!!!
or
3) 996, it was Such A Radical Design that the 997 looked the same...
or
4) 996 C4S/Turbo the Reason Why 997 C4S/Turbo Had To Pay For Their Full Leather.
or
5) 996 the reason why 997 X51 Headers Exsist
Regardless of whether or not the design of the t-shirts was done on purpose or simply a mistake is no grounds for Alan Pozner to reply is such a rude manner.
I was planning to attend this year but personal issues forced me to cancel the night before. I was hoping that this year would have yielded more attendance than last, but the photos posted seem show otherwise. I remember going up with my dad 5-7 years ago and seeing my first Porsche Junior Tractor, which I still want to own to this day. There were all kinds of Porsches and swappables as far as the eyes could see. I can tell you this, after reading his responses to your concerns that, I will not be attending another Central Pennsylvania PCA event until Alan Ponzer has left his seat as president.
It may be a petty t-shirt this time but his attitude may carry over to business matter which could be a lot more disturbing next time. Poor business ethics on his part. Shame on you Alan Ponzer.
now now guys Alan Ponzer is the Perfect guy for the PCA Board... i mean its a well known fact that ALL Porsche Owner/Drivers are "*******'s". He is just in the Sprit and the Perfect guy for our Image
When I was younger, they were giving out this picture at the factory in Zuffenhausen in the summer of 1985. Sorry for the crappy cell phone picture. I've had it hanging in my garage for many years now. It was originally the 911 Gruppe B.
I wish I had never creased it before I had it mounted, but that was almost 30 years ago!
Eric
The 959 was an effort by the factory to push 911 chassis to its absolute limits, or so I've always understood, but calling the 959 a 911 is like calling an Audi TT a model of New Beetle...and the TT and NB probably have a lot more in common.
Besides, weren't the Carrera GT's chassis and suspension based on the 911 GT1?
Anyway, that's just my opinion. I can't imagine any 959 owners inviting people to see their 911 but it certainly wouldn't offend me if they did.
It's the exclusion of the 996 that baffles me.
-Eric
Yes it is - I'm glad the management in the North East Chapter is not like that. I know it's pretty petty and there are more important things, but I have been stressed out at work and raging recently. I probably wouldn't have emailed if work wasn't bothering me so much
Ahhh. The joys of the internet. To be able to publish your comments no matter how uninformed and malicious in complete anonymity. To be able to character assasinate at will without ever meeting face to face. To be able to publish someone else's email address and full name without ever divulging your own.
Well all you jackals and harpies, this is Alan Pozner. I dare any of you to meet me face to face and say your worst.
But before you do, let me set the record straight about a few misconceptions that have been offered as fact on this forum.
1) This T-shirt was designed by a gentleman in our club who made an honest, legitimate mistake. It was approved by the swap committee and was printed. Although I had no involvement in the production of the shirt as president of the chapter I do take responsibility for it.
2) I initially found out about this error through an anonymous email I received. It was a long, barely intelligible rant that called me an idiot. I had no idea of the scope of the discussion or context that the writer was operating under. I only knew that someone that I did not know insulted me for something I had no knowledge of. I responded to that email in kind. The nameless faceless lout then published my private correspondence but neglected to publish his own. Taking someone's words out of context is a low but increasingly common tactic in our society. It is never acceptable and always leads to misunderstanding.
3) Others wrote me emails after some lowlife included my email address in his post with the command that people write. Some of those emails were polite and I tried to answer in kind. Polite reasoned apologies to polite letters; insulting responses to rude, curse laden diatribes. Would you not have done the same?
4) The final totals are not in but it looks like that in spite of forecasts of bad weather this may have been the most successful swap ever. I do know that there were more vendor spots rented than ever before. Also despite the 12 pages of insults and calls to action here in this forum, the aforementioned shirt sold out in record time. Perhaps this notoriety will make this shirt a very valuable collectors item.
5) At the Zone 2 board get-together on Saturday night, I spoke with several members of the clubs National leadership. Most had read this forum and I was told in no uncertain terms that they thought the issue to be a tempest in a tea pot. One senior official told me candidly that he would have posted a scathing letter dunning your attacks were he an individual and not representing the whole club. I was told that National was "on my side" in this issue.
6) So, I hope that in the future you will refrain from posting supposition and rumor and declaiming it as fact. This has been a sad reflection not on me but on some petty people on the web. It has made me rethink my commitment to the club. Luckily the behavior of members in my chapter in person trumps the faceless yammering here.
7) Still think you have been dissed and affronted? Here's my contact information:
Alan Pozner
784 S Cedar St.
Lititz PA 17543
[phone removed]
[email removed]
One thing though; I will not respond to anyone who does not provide me with the same information about themselves. If you want to get personal, it should be a two-way street.
