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Use 19s up front and the 29s in the rear
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I used Hawk pads in my M3 for many years with great success as well and they're a bit cheaper than Pagid's.
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The improvement in braking you feel probably has more to do with the bias change than moving from orange to yellow.
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I used Jim's Orange / Black suggestion and found it to work very well...however my last event was a simple test and tune day and I decided to run street tires and found they could be a bit too agressive for street tires.
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I raced a 996 pretty successfully for four years using oranges in front and blacks in back.
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I used Jim's Orange / Black suggestion and found it to work very well...however my last event was a simple test and tune day and I decided to run street tires and found they could be a bit too agressive for street tires.
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I just went through another set of Pagid oranges, and need to move on. The oranges we very good but not great. They did leave residue on the rotors which then would shudder a bit too much. I heard that this is an issue with the oranges once in a while. I always break the pads in correctly, so that wouldn't be the issue.
Anyone have experience with Pagid yellows, blacks, or Performance Frictions pads?
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Adam
I use the yellow RS-19's on my GT3 and they're excellent (if bedded in properly). Never experienced any fade and been to the track in 115 degree weather. For street driving, if they start to squeal badly just wash the car or bed them in again. Just wore a set down to the backing plate (oops)...
I raced a 996 pretty successfully for four years using oranges in front and blacks in back. That's still the combo I would recommend. Blacks generate too much heat in front on a regular 996. The orange/black combo moves a little bias to the back which is good for the track.
Jim
I just went from Oranges all around to Yellows for my last track weekend. I used the 19s up front and the 29s in the rear. They were AWESOME. Much better than the oranges IMO.
The wore well and never faded at all.
That sounds like a good combo. The improvement in braking you feel probably has more to do with the bias change than moving from orange to yellow. When the yellows came out a few years ago they sucked but I was just talking to a friend that says they have improved greatly. Looking at the Pagid site it looks like the other combo to try would be blacks in front and greys in back. It would be hard to keep your fluid from boiling but the braking would be great.
BTW, when picking pads it's very important to consider how much braking power your suspension/tire combo can handle. Also your driving style. These cars tend to like longer, lighter braking. Especially with soft suspension.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Jim
I used Jim's Orange / Black suggestion and found it to work very well...however my last event was a simple test and tune day and I decided to run street tires and found they could be a bit too agressive for street tires. As long as you're careful it's not really that big of a deal but it was pretty easy to engage the ABS.
I used Hawk pads in my M3 for many years with great success as well and they're a bit cheaper than Pagid's. I was thinking about trying HT-10's front and HT-14's rear next time out on r-compound tires.
Andy
+1 on the HT10's. I tried the pagids last season (yellow front/orange rear) and absolutely hated them. It felt like the car was never going to slow down.
Steve
I guess I sort of mentioned it but as Andy pointed out you really need to select pads based on your cars set up, tires and your skill level.
Steve, think about what your combo was doing. You had a very sticky, fairly quick grabbing pad in front and a less sticky, slower grabbing pad in back. You didn't say but I assume you have a fairly soft suspension. That being anything less than about 1000 lb springs in front. So you get into the brakes, the yellows grab like crazy, your front suspension compresses which adds more braking to the front at the same time you are lifting your rear (rebound) which already has less brake friction. The result, over braking in front, under braking in back and a car that's "never going to slow down". I would guess that it was pretty squirrelly to.
When you are thinking about brake pads it's really important to think about the physics at play. Just putting big sticky pads on is likely not the answer.
This is where a good race shop can really help out.
Jim
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