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YOUR RESEARCHx74 + Porsche Sports Pads + engine cleaned (partially)
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I installed the X74 and protection plate on my 2000 996 c2 many years ago and love it.....I think it's the perfect setup for the guy who wants a street and track car and not deal with changing settings.....I bought it from Gert and he is great to deal with....
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In fact, it's the Tub used for the GT3 based on it's strength.
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So you rotate the blade to adjust the torsional strength left and right individually.
Clean under the engine and suspension parts as well...thanks
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You did a nice job cleaning under the engine and suspension parts as well...thanks for the pics.
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I installed the X74 and protection plate on my 2000 996 c2 many years ago and love it.....I think it's the perfect setup for the guy who wants a street and track car and not deal with changing settings.....I bought it from Gert and he is great to deal with....
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I installed the X74 and protection plate on my 2000 996 c2 many years ago and love it.....I think it's the perfect setup for the guy who wants a street and track car and not deal with changing settings.....I bought it from Gert and he is great to deal with....
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I finally broke down, took advantage of the exchange rate, and ordered the x74. Money well spent and I highly recommend it if you roads are not too rough. The shocks are very well made. They are beefier than the stock. The stock will look like toys once you compare them side by side. Took me and my brother-in-law ~7hrs to install on a lift and we took our time. Lots of time was spent on compressing the rear stock springs. Dropped 30mm on the front and 25mm in the rear. My fender to ground is almost 25.5" all around.
Like many others have said, it totally transforms the car and the car should have come this way. I had stock US suspension before. The car is LESS harsh and extremely stable now. Much more responsive to throttle and brakes. Body roll is MUCH reduced and the car feels like it's on rails. You feel like you gain at least 10-15hp because the car response immediately to throttle. The cars is so stable that you are alwyas 10-15mph faster then what you think you're doing. Front toe is at 0 with -0.5 degree camber. Rear has 3.5mm toe-in (total) and -1.7 degree camber.
My only regret is I didn't do it earlier. I want my 5yrs on the stock suspension back!! The only (small) drawback is now I have a little more rattles when I go through very rough roads but I would care less.
The Porsche sport brake pads are great too. MUCH better initial bite and VERY linear and easy to modulate. Don't squeal much as long as you warm them up a little when you start driving. This current setup is perfect for me
Also cleaned the engine but it's not done yet. No where near Oriental Express clean
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Forgot to mention. One of the reasons I like x74 is there are no adjustments so you will experience exactly how Porsche engineers want the car to drive like.
hey what kind of lift is that ?
nice job on the engine cleaning, what did you use ?
Is the X74, the suspension that was fitted on the 40th anniversary 911 ? I remember test driving one of those, it was pretty rough. You better have some good pavement to drive that on a daily basis, but I assume for weekend it is perfect.
Congrat' on doing it by yourself !
Hey Phil, thanks! The lift is called the Nussbaum Sprinter and it makes all these DIY a LOT more enjoyable.
I used goo-gone and a lot of elbow grease since my cosmoline was fully baked in. Just don't let the goo-gone stay on rubber parts.
No, the 40th anniversay 911's have M030 suspension and anti-sway bars. The x74 has even more aggressive springs and shocks but it uses the same M030 anti-sway bars. It's my DD but where i live the roads are not bad. As I said, I wanted my 5yrs back
The non-adjustability is exactly the reason why I did not go with the X74 and spent much more for the PSS10s.
Glad to hear you're enjoying the "new" ride.
Thanks, ROK. Yea, PSS9/10 will be much more wen it's all said and done. The x74 has beefier anti-sway bars, high quality shocks and progrossive springs, plus "free" tunning from Porsche. Pretty good deal in my book
...and engineered for YOUR car unlike the catch-all PSS9/10 system that is actually pretty soft compared to the X73/74.
I have it on my Turbo and it performed amazingly at the VIR a couple weeks ago.
I have both. I have the X73 on my 996 Turbo and the RoWM030 on my 996 CAB.
The RoWM030 is actually a better ride on the streets than the factory suspension. It creates a more planted car which is more compliant on the roads. Further, it creates a more neutral (or even slight forward) rake where the stock setup is almost opposite. Lastly, the setup lowers the car to a much more proper stance and coupled with the rake greatly reduced lift in the front essentially removing that floaty front end you feel at high speed.
The X73/74 is borderline uncomfortable on the street if the roads are poor and you prefer a GT cruiser. With that said, the stance, feel, compliance of the X7x kit is the result of PAG engineers perfecting a complete setup for the car. The ride height is perfect, the rake is perfect, the spring rate and dampening is perfect. If is tolerable on the street and SHINES on the track. I'll see if I can dig up some before and after pics of each setup on my cars.
Pics of the X73 on the Turbo (before and 2 after)
Pics of the RoWM030 on the CAB (couldn't find a before but y'all know how high they sit!)
Very nice write-up. Can the Cab handle the X74 setup? I read where the cab was not offered with a sports suspension option because Porsche did not think the cab rigid enough to handle it.
This floaty front and lift on hard accelerations is horrid. I can’t believe my 02 was sold without the Rest of WorldM030 options. Any aggressive driving that produces this floaty feeling is a bit scary.
While it fits, I'm not sure I would add it. It's not that the car can't handle the suspension. The CAB has an incredible amount of flex already and what the X73/74 would do is add that much more stress to the chassis.
There are other factors that go into the decision as well (factory only parts; dealer install, etc), but I think boils down to choices and adjustability IMO.
Stock suspension I think is Bilstein and H&R. PSS10 is Bilstein and H&R, to which the setup is application specific.
If you split between street and track, IMO, the PSSX is a nice compromise for both. Comfortable for street; dial it up for track, if you so choose. Keep in mind that the springs can also be changed on PSSX setup if you decide to go down that path.
Ride too low is the PSS? Raise it up. Ride too hard with PSS, soften it up.
The X74/3 is no doubt of course nice for the Ron Popeil ‘set it and forget it’ and factory solution aspects
To the OP, congrats on the purchase and install, and the cleaning is a huge
Anyone know of the best place (meaning best price) to purchase the
ROWM030?
Has the exchange rate made them less expensive compared to the already low prices at suncoast and sunset?
@Chris - Oh man, I need my sunglasses just to watch your photo
@Dell - nice writeup on the comparo and can't agree more! BTW, do you think 0 toe in the front is proper or too darty? I kind of miss the straigth-tracking (but more numb) feel right after the install, where the front toe was about 1mm teo-in before the alignment
@Ed - yes, I highly regretted not doing it sooner
but I have maximum enjoyment now
Gert (Carnewal) is running a special on ROW M030. EURO 925 shipping included. You need to add ~2.5% US import tax on top of that though if you're counting tens (you'll receive a nice invoice from Fedex saying you own them $$$ way after you receive the item)
BTW, I got my x74 from Gert. Top notch seller and a very good business man!
Also Gert ships very fast and you should get your kit directly from Belgium within a wk or so after you order.
Absolutely. Neutral toe (0) is what you want up front and what your goal is with any alignement setting. Anything outside of neutral is done to compensate for suspension changes under load. Typically, toe is set to toe out in front to aid in turn-in for track work but will give a darty feel straight line. But, for street and just spirited driving, neutral is best. Toe in is a no-no up front as it gets you nothing except contribution to understeer.
Thanks! Yes, the car drives at least 10x better and it no longer looks like a 4x4.
Engine cleaning is just the first cut, need to go in there again. Also need to de-cosmoline the rear suspension too but there's so much rubber there. Can't use Googone.
Thanks Dell for the explanation. That makes sense.
My guess is the suggestion is for more adjustability which the GT3 ARB's have. 5 settings in the front and 4 in the rear. Also, adding a setup of adjustable drop links will allow you have them set for YOUR car. Further, the various ARB settings will allow you to maximize the suspension.
Great to hear you like the X74! I bought it for the same reasons as you. I would also get the protection plate....I think my engine runs a little warmer now though.
Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. Since "sparks" mentioned MAJOR improvement. I wonder how major it can be given it's such a nice setup already.
Oh, btw Dell, your x73 comes with beefier engine mounts, right? Do you know why those are not needed for the X74? Maybe the C4 chasis is strong enough to take those mounts but not the C2's?
Yes, I have the parts already. Just waiting for the undercarriage cleaning to be done before putting it on. Will be careful driving it in the meantime.
Pete! No, I bought it the same reasons YOU bought it
Thanks to your x74 review, and many others'. I must have read all the x74 reviews over the Internet before I broke down. I agree with VAN, it's unlikely b/c of the plate
Not major at all. Think of it as a step up. Major would be moving to a blade ARB
The C4 chassis is indeed strong enough. In fact, it's the Tub used for the GT3 based on it's strength. Not sure the reasoning behind not having the mounts in the X74 package.
That's what I thought too. Thanks for confirming. I looked up blade ARB but didn't find much info. Looks like it's cockpit adjustable. I'm done with MOD for now. All I need now is more time to drive and enjoy the car
Some bladed ARB's are cockpit adjustable and some aren't. THe way it works makes it very easy to tune from in the cockpit. Here's a pic of what one looks like. I ran them on my RS America race car.
Man the car is SO much fun to drive now.
Have another DE in 3 weeks at Road America and I just scheduled a needed.. lets say medical procedure
around the DE. No way I'm missing it....
Good write-up! I am so tempted to put the X73 suspension on my car especially with the low euro exchange rate now. Hey Dell, considering the TT and C4S already have the pretty firm OE sports suspension, how much stiffer/harsher is the X73 in your opinion?
Let's put it this way......my wife loves the track and drives as well and complains about the stiffness of the suspension on poor roads! Me, I think it's just right
I installed the X74 and protection plate on my 2000 996 c2 many years ago and love it.....I think it's the perfect setup for the guy who wants a street and track car and not deal with changing settings.....I bought it from Gert and he is great to deal with....
