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YOUR RESEARCHConfused about badging and id for C4
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Its not the PPI inspector's responsibility to check the advertising to the car.
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Also, if the dealer mistakenly advertised the car as an AWD, at the end it is the buyer's responsibility to check the car before they buy it.
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The PPI is for inspecting car and not comparing the advertisement to the car.
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I have an 01 996 cabriolet that i just bought from Florida. The car was first shipped to Canada and vin codes verify it. The rear script logo badge says Carrera and not Carrera 4. The door entry threshold plates also say Carrera only. Also, the brake calipers are black and not silver as i thought they were supposed to be if a c4. The boot/trunk has a cd changer,amp, and donut spare and not the false bottom. The vin is: WPOCA29951S654196
Can anyone explain? help!
Yes. It was clearly advertised as a C4. I guess two of my options are to get the dealer to pay me the difference in value and keep the car or ask him to take car back. Guess the independent pre-purchase inspection guy missed that discrepancy too. What would you do? I've seen a bunch of threads on c2 vs. c4 pros and cons and am on the fence.
The pre-purchase inspection was done by an experienced Porsche mechanic. Maybe he didn't feel a need or overlooked the need to check if it was an awd car or not.
Means it can be either a 2 or 4, IIRC there isn't a VIN differential between the C2 and the C4. What you are describing is a C2. There are pros and cons to each. If you live in a place where it snows, the C4's seem to be very capable cars in snow that is 4" or less, etc. I live in Florida, so not an issue for me. If you feel like you were duped (and if you bought the car based on C4 price, and I'm assuming the differential is higher, but I don't know by how much) than you are correct in your assumption, either put it back on the dealer that they sold you a car that is not as advertised, or ask for the difference.
I would probably also ask for my money back from the person that did the PPI. Did you have a phone conversation with them or an in person visit after the PPI? If you were clear that they were looking at a C4, and wanted a PPI done on one, and they failed to mention to you that it was a C2, that is a big issue. If you said, "I'm looking at a car, and it will be at your shop tomorrow, please do a PPI" and weren't specific what they were doing a PPI on, that is probably on you.
Either way, I'm making a phone call to the dealer and I'm starting with "I want my money back since I just bought a C2 that you sold to me as a C4" and go from there.
GL, keep us posted.
DS
Its not the PPI inspector's responsibility to check the advertising to the car. His obligations were to inspec the car. Also, if the dealer mistakenly advertised the car as an AWD, at the end it is the buyer's responsibility to check the car before they buy it. This exact thing happened to a buddy of mine.
I'd try to extract the value difference from the dealership, but if it didn't work I wouldn't worry about it too much. Both cars are very capable and adaptable. If you plan on winter usage then just plan on putting snow tires on the car and you're all set.
+1, I would think OP preferred a C4 for better all-weather driving, not that the C2 is a poor driver. Either some compensation, or the car should get shipped back ( major PITA). With compensation, maybe OP can sell the C2 if he's not happy.
I'm pretty sure you are outta luck. I understand why you would be pissed off but I would need some additional information to make this seem like a spot where you can get some form of relief here.
Some information that would be helpful: Did you test drive the car or did you buy it sight unseen from a dealer with a PPI done for you?
Did the advertisement for the car have pictures of the items you listed above?
Were you specifically looking for a C4? (I think yes for this one.)
What does the bill of sale say?
Was the car sold as-is?
Did the ad state that the information is believed to be true but not guaranteed?
What does the PPI report say? Everyone I have seen identifies the car by VIN and full model specs.
Not sure that you can get any money out of the dealer based on any difference in value between C2 and C4. I did a quick check of values using Edmunds' TMV. A 2001 C4 cab is actually worth a bit less than an identical C2 cab. I even did the research using a Michigan zip code to account for any possible increased value in a northern climate.
Now you certainly have a possible complaint against the dealer for false advertising - if you can prove that the car was clearly listed as a C4. If you live in a cold climate and specifically were looking for all-wheel drive, you could argue that you have suffered some monetary harm.
Let us know how the dealer responds.
Having had both a C4 and a C2 (after I removed the front wheel drive components), I like the RWD better than the AWD. My suspension setup (lowered, coilovers, all adjustable links) is stiff enough to make PSM perk up and scare the crap out of me at times I wasn't expecting assistance. This was cured with the RWD conversion.
Can you post a pic of your frunk so we can be sure it's actually a C2? On my '02 C4, the scripting on the rear lid is "Carrera" but the door sills read "Carrera 4".
called Porsche North America and they ran the vin
Not heartbroken.
Keeping the car.
c2 with psm may be all i need and maybe more fun.
Dealer wouldn't refund. Said he had much higher offers and would gladly take car back.
A call from the local shark ambulance chaser lawyer should get you the difference minus legal fees. Dealer lied to you once, why believe anything they said. It's not that uncommon a dealer trick.
Sad but funny story.
Gives me an idea. I should buy a turbo badge, fake BoV for the muffler, and try to sell it to the Carmax as 2002 Turbo.
Or, how about I sell you this brand new X5 for just $30,000?
