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In addition to trying to stay alert and using a radar detector, when traveling at high speeds, I use a CB with just an earpiece.
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In addition to trying to stay alert and using a radar detector, when traveling at high speeds, I use a CB with just an earpiece.
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I wonder if they are just checking your plate on their computers to see if there are any outstanding violations or warrants.
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If you want to try to get our of the ticket, check with the traffic court for a traffic survey of that stretch or road.
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Just drive safe, use your best judgment if you do want to speed and if a radar detector makes you feel safer doing it, then go spend that $400 for a V1 or whatever.
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Presenting . . . . my ***first ever*** speeding ticket. After 15 years of BMWs, it's 3 weeks in with the 996 and I scored this afternoon in Santa Monica.
But it was only for 53 in a 35 mile zone. Jeez, I'm driving up to San Francisco this week and was hoping for a 110 in a 75. Big disappointment!
No, man,
80
in a 35 is kinda reckless. Let's not get the RL Safety Patrol's panties in a wad over an 18 mph-over ticket.
Anyway, 25 mph is residential where I come from.
Heading to LA this weekend. I'll keep my wits about me in Santa Monica. Sorry to hear about your ticket. Man, talk about a shadow tax, plain and simple.
Are you familiar with this road? Where you present to observe road conditions during this incident? Was the limit there set by the "85th percentile rule" or just some arbitrary figure?
If you don't have any info how could you possibly determine that his behavior was or was not reckless?
53 on the 1400 block of San Vicente is a bit much. It's a wide road with a median but there are always plenty of joggers, walkers and cyclists. It's also a heavily patrolled area where the police are notoriously strict.
So you were there then? You witnessed him speeding with joggers, walkers, and cyclist present? I suppose when you drive it is always at or below the limit?
I wasn't there and I don't know that road so I would be very reluctant to use a term like "reckless". But hey, let he who doesn't speed cast the first stone.
Geez calm down dude.
I agree with the other two folks. 53 on a 35, specifically San Vicente in Santa Monica/West LA is a little too fast. You have to live here to KNOW. And it's always like that (crowded, walkers, joggers, cars parked on the street, etc) at any time of day.
I got stopped for 56 in a 35. I was about 2 miles from the town of 880 people out on a country road. I would defy anyone to explain to me why it was 35 there. Just prior to the sign it was 55. No signs warning of the change, just an unmarked local cop sitting in the woods with a radar detector aimed at the 35 speed limit sign. What made the speed OK at 55 all the way up to the sign?
These are the easiest tickets for a cop to give and it has notheing to do with public safety. If I'm in a residential area, I'm more that likely doing 30 in a 35.
Don't get me started...
If you lived in West LA/Santa Monica, you would understand.
You're splitting hair. At which point is "reckless" considered "really reckless." I'm not trying to be righteous here... as I've received a ticket for going 42 on a 35 before.
To the OP, try this link:
http://www.ticketassassin.com/
I am very calm . In fact I'm not shouting by using all caps in my posts. It sounds like you know the road in question very well. As previously stated, I do not.
Based on the info given would you be comfortable writing a ticket for reckless driving (pretend you are the leo)? That is the term I questioned, and I think it is a fair question.
If you want to try to get our of the ticket, check with the traffic court for a traffic survey of that stretch or road. They must have a survey less than five years old showing the 85th percentile speed. If this speed is more than 35mph, your citation should be dismissed at trial.
I'd feel more comfortable jogging on a road and see a 996 doing 53mph instead of 35 than meeting a soccer mom with her cell phone in one hand and turning back to shout at her kids, doing 33mph. But I guess that's just me.
Catching "criminals" on the street is so much easier for the police than to get them commiting other crimes.
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Let's not turn an "18-over speeding ticket" into "reckless driving". One of this country's problems seems to be losing perspective on simple things like this; that's why we can't smoke in bars in half the states any more.
totally dude. going 53 v. 35 ain't too crazy of a diff... i saw people driving that fast all day in santa mon, melrose etc etc etc this weekend. let's not suddenly become traffic arbiters when we weren't even there in the first place. the dude got a damn ticket claiming tongue in cheek that his 911 got him in trouble... yet somehow we end up in a fuqin argument.
WHAHAHAHH
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Those were my thoughts exactly. I would much rather mistakenly jog into the path of a 996 traveling at 53mph than find myself in front of a rusting 1990 Ford F350 traveling at 35 mph while carrying a full load of lumber or concrete blocks. The driver of the 996 would have a better chance of stopping, or going around you, than the truck.
It is very easy to drive around at 35 mph in a 996 in second or third rear and inadvertently increase your speed to 50+ mph. Anyone who says they don�t regularly, or at least occasionally, do this is either lying or spending too much time observing your speedo., which may be reckless in and of itself.
I know how you feel, don't worry the hurt will go away but you will realize that enforcement works the next time you feel the urge and don't hit it quite so hard. I got it on a long straight country road on a beautiful crisp sunny spring day, just got my car back with the ROW030 installed and had to see how it felt at speed, he came opposite direction over a little dip, got me for 70 or so in a 55, had he been a minute or so earlier he would have got me at 112- small consolation.
What everyone must understand is that Santa Monica has a low crime rate and a lot of just out of high school police officers that need to flex their force. Go about 4 miles south to Venice, and this won't happen as much because of real crime that the police are out fighting.
Looks like you've been nailed by Santa Monica's Finest. Just be careful, the crosswalk scam they have going there is their big money maker. I've been pulled over for it twice in the last year. Even if the road is 6 lanes wide, the pedestrian has to be completely across the intersection and on the curb before you can go. I even lost it in written declaration.
I got 2 in one day on a motorcycle. One for crossing a double yellow line to pass on 1 north of pt reyes. and later that night on the 101 going back to sf.
Wonder if the P-car had anything to do with it? I was driving along in a wide-spread line of cars, all doing just a few MPH over the speed limit, and the only car that was Instant-On Radared was me! Kind of annoying, actually. No ticket, however . . .
Certainly a factor - on the way up 5 to Irvine this morning, the cop sitting on the hard shoulder lets tons of traffic by, never moves, until I pass him surrounded by traffic, all doing 75.
He starts up, and then plays the 'shadow from the slow lane' game with me for 3-4 miles...
Of course I could just be paranoid - but I've had them zoom up to my bumper before now and sit there for 5 mins, like they are waiting for me to do something stupid - then they pull away when I won't oblige.
From an officer's stand-point that is assigned to a traffic unit and drives and unmarked Black Impala with tinted windows, 53mph in a 35mph in itself is not reckless. Add 5 rush hour traffic and multiple non-signal lane changes and then you are crossing into the reckless zone. I for one drive my Porsche at least 3 times a week and find it very hard not to pound the throttle every now and then. Have I gone over 53mph in a 35mph zone? Yes but not that often since where I live, there is a local trooper that will write his very on mother a ticket if he could and other officer's as well. So i for one say speeding is speeding but don't consider it to be reckless.
So, if any of you local Charlotte friends see this,
give me honk. I am all over the county all the time..............
Not sure why you're calling your old 'crib' tinsel town, but anyway I was in Newport Beach today on business and saw among others Aston Martin, F430, several Pcars, and countless AMGs.
The F430 felt obligated to goose it, so I guess the 911 isn't completely inconspicuous.
(Sorry for the OT to the OP.)
Another ticket story:
I got a speeding ticket in St Lous, the radar was 87 in a 55, but the officer knew I was from tinsel town (ha) and wrote it up only 75 in a 55.
Why? Because 30 mph over is required presence in Court.
That's a thoughtful officer....
Possible, but unlikely. By writing it for under 30 over he...
Still gets your money
Leaves you with a better impression of a bad situation so you are less likely to decide to fight it
Doesn't force you to go to court (so you probably won't show)
Really???, shooot!! I am also from Allen TX, just 1 year resident there and was wondering about the front plate issue as well. I'd better watch-out now for that. Do you have to rectify it by showing up at the police station and show them your front plate? Thanks,
I don't have front plates on any of our cars (and darker than legal tint too). If I'm in Collin County, I keep an eye out for Texas Highway Patrol (the black cars), they're notorious on Preston Rd. north of Frisco and on HWY 380 THEY will pull you over..I just roll down the front windows, as for the front plate - it's a "fix it ticket"...I've appeased these tickets with zip ties or velcro, depending on vehicle. It's truly amazing how so many people just take the ticket and pay, no questions, no fight - that's why they continue their bully tactics. I got a ticket in July '07 in Dallas - decided to fight it, set court date - they set for Feb. '08 - all you have to do is show up on time -- the "judge" will warn you of the severity of "practicing law" and representing yourself, yada yada...they recess to "notify officers" and after the cart and pony show, the "prosecutor" immediately dismisses about 85% of the cases!!!
Wow! Great comments from taylorsnutrition. Why? Because I've always wanted to know how Porsches look from a cop's POV. Also, I'm in my Charlotte for business all the time - in my Ford Explorer fleet car. I hope I get to meet ya at Parade - only 5 more days to registration!
Bob
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BruceP, I agree, it's not "reckless driving" (in the vehicular code) but simply speeding. However, it might have been considered "reckless" (not vehicular code) by the other poster.
This horse dead yet?
Where I live, it gets your car impounded on the spot, at the roadside. Your ride goes away on a hook, and the charge is automatically for 'racing', even if you were the only car on the road. You can get your car back in a week, but good luck insuring it afterwards.
I've been out of town, so I haven't been keeping up with all the responses, but let me say a couple of things:
1) I was NOT being reckless in Santa Monica. I was in the left lane and was completely in control of the car. Seemed like I was sitting still, actually, even though the speedo said 50+. San Vicente is a residential street but constructed like a mini-parkway, with a wide median strip, etc.
2) The officer was entirely polite and professional. Just doing his job, and doing it very well. No grudges there.
3) Four days later, on the I-5 on the way up to San Francisco, I got ***yet another*** ticket for 91 in a 75. Going 91 on the I-5 in a Porsche is like going 250 in a Learjet. (I came back in the dead of night: not a single patrol car to be seen.) I think I've gotta get a Valentine.
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Passport 8500 and clean in the past 3 years (knock on wood). At minimum it will pop and give you a warning to oncoming and traps. Laser pops about once a month, mostly on freeways. I'm hard on the brakes, only get scowled at by our friendly officers.
And don't preach at me...it's a porsche, I'm always a little over.
you guys and your V1 v. Passport/Escort debates... is like debating whether to go silver badge or black carrera badge on your 911.
waste of time. neither one lets you blast down the I-5 at 95mph thinking you're untouchable. instant on laser, baby.
Forgive my nOObness, but is that hair-dryer-shaped gun a laser or radar? The cop was holding one of those devices and showed me the reading. Is there no antidote for laser? Any advice appreciated before I spend $$$ for a V1 or equivalent.
This is just one opinion, but I think if an officer has laser and wants you, you're done. To me, using these things is about tipping the odds your way, but there is no perfect insurance.
What also helps is to know what the police use in your jurisdiction. Around here, for example, our equivalent to state troopers use the latest speed detection technology on the multilane highways, and carry the Specter. I personally wouldn't even bother carrying a detector in the car on a 400-series highway. But the same police in our rural areas are usually using old gear, like Ka band devices. A good detector is an easy match for them. Get some local intel, and use that to decide if a detector is going to give you any worthwhile margin.
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Only a few major sections of the freeways in my area use laser "state troopers" It is purely fiscal. Lasers are more expensive. Have never run into a laser pop from a city patrol - yet...I'm sure they are coming.
It is just about tipping your odds. I will still run with one. It has saved my a#! multiple times when I was going to fast and I started to get Ka runs on the detector. Plenty of time to slow down.
Here's my personal experience running a radar detector in my car for the last 25K miles (M3/911). I bought a V1 as I do like the arrows and would feel weird now not having one.
1 - Got pulled over my instant-on laser on I-5 which is a wide, flat road, but I was coming over a hill and thought I'd at least get the car ahead of me to get me a signal if there was laser.... yea, I got the loud/flashing notice as the state cop was gunning for me - $110 ticket - DISMISSED by laywer after $300 representation fee.
2 - Got tagged by another state trooper on I-5, but I was being paced by an airplane up above. Airplane radioed the guy on the ground to pull me over. Got tagged with another speeding ticket - DISMISSED by lawyer after $300 rep fee.
So what I'm trying to tell you is there is no radar detector, jammer, whatever that will make you invisible to cops. Whatever setup you got, there remains that chance that your **** is gonna get caught. Thus the reason why I find these Passport v. V1 and jammer and whatever KY contraption you got going... a complete waste of time.
It's hairsplitting. Just drive safe, use your best judgment if you do want to speed and if a radar detector makes you feel safer doing it, then go spend that $400 for a V1 or whatever. I could live without one, but since I have one and am too lazy to sell it, it's just there hardwired to my car now.
Well, for what I believe is the first time ever I have to agree with Ben.
I have what was the top of the line (when I bought it) Passport and have gotten to the point where I don't use it anymore - I find it to be a waste of time that does nothing but generate paranoia.
Here in PA only the state troopers can use radar, so for 99% of my drives I'm more susceptible to VASCAR than radar. On the roads where radar might be an issue I find that the radar detector makes me more paranoid and drive more slowly than I would if I did not have it switched on.
I find it far safer and more enjoyable to drive with the radar detector switched off, use good driving skills, and be observant. Driving with the detector on makes you react to every beep from the detector and drive slower than the flow of traffic because you'd expect the cop to pull you out of the crowd for speeding. It's just not worth it. If you're not standing out from the crowd you're not going to be the one getting the ticket. Drive safely and you don't need the detector.
Bit of a blanket statement. It might be true where you are, and it's increasingly true on some roads around here. But at the same time, I can tell you, hand on heart, that my radar detector paid for itself many times over. I got rid of it because the value proposition had slowly become unfavourable... there were fewer roads I could use it on where cops didn't have Specter, and the political climate against speeding in this province (thanks to kids in slammed Hondas) got so brutal that you had to worry about being made an example of. My experience of driving with it eventually got to be like Wellardmac's. Less risk reduction, more stress.
But I don't think it's always a 'complete waste of time' for everybody.
I think it must depend upon the area. I was driving on Interstates for about six hours yesterday. I saw three cops:
1) V1 indicated K-band ahead. Signal got progressively quicker. Saw the cop after a half-mile or so but easily got slowed down.
2) V1 indicated K-band ahead. Saw the cop after 1.5 miles or so, or right about the time I was about to put my right foot down again.
3) V1 indicated nothing, but I saw a trooper heading the other direction, apparently not using radar. I looked down and was over 95 mph. No reaction from the cop.
These same things happen repeatedly, almost every day on these roads. If they're looking for speeders, they're using radar (very rarely laser) and they're easy to avoid with a detector. If they're not looking for speeders, you can drive as fast as you want and they won't cross the median to come get you. YMMV, but my V1 probably pays for itself EVERY week.
It was horrible. I'd find myself hitting the brakes every time I heard a beep. It was ridiculous to be paranoid to drive this great car and have others screaming by me at a higher speed. I'm a lot happier and have more fun driving now that I don't use the detector.
But it kinda DOES...as I said, on the Interstates around here, if they're looking for speeders, they're running their radar. If I see a cop and the V1 didn't go off, there's really no point in even slowing down.
I'm glad that you're so confident, because around here they will swing around if they see you speeding. They'll get you for something, even if they didn't get your speed on the first pass.
I can see how that would make one paranoid. It's just a tool--don't overthink it. When my V1 goes off, my brain seems to quickly interpret whether it's anything to worry about. I usually don't even hit the brakes until the signal is a third- or half-strength. Slamming on the brakes at every peep from the detector would make for a less-than-fulfilling drive...
I do a lot of driving on I-80 and I-35, and between the snow in the median and the level of traffic (mostly the traffic--they have those emergency turnarounds cleared off), it would be next to impossible for the officer to negotiate his way back to catch the speeder, so they rarely bother. They'd be creating a much more dangerous situation by trying to get the speeder than to just let them go.
I see lots of 90+ mph traffic on the rural Interstate areas, with a handful of 100+ cruising speeds, depending on the level of traffic. It's not uncommon to see a trooper completely ignore a car going 100+ mph in the opposite lanes.
Of course, get to the east side of the state and all bets are off--they're hiding in the median, behind overpasses, etc. and you have to watch yourself, but they're still using the radar. There's enough high-speed traffic that even if they're using instant-on, the V1 will pick it up a mile or so in advance.
Go figure...people try to get across IA as quickly as possible. I think NE is even worse...
I think the main differences between here and IA is one of culture and population density.
You can't get away with those speeds as easily on the east coast because i) there are more cops, ii) they enforce speed limits more aggressively, iii) there are more strong false alarms for the radar detector to pick up due to the higher density of signals and the fact that they bounce off all of the buildings.
It's great that you can get away with the speeds that you do, I'm envious, but around here you'd never be able to do it, they'd catch you and you'd be taking a ride in the back of a car to see a judge.
I average close to 100,000 miles driving every year, from north to south and east to west. In addition to trying to stay alert and using a radar detector, when traveling at high speeds, I use a CB with just an earpiece. Often, it is only because of the CB that I am alerted to lasers on an overpass, onramp, etc. So far, only 1 ticket in the last 1.5 million miles. (knock on wood). I always watch any cars far ahead of me for hints. Try not to stick out more than any of the other traffic and stay in the right lane as much as possible. Stay extra alert in areas that provide good spots for radar detection such as crest of hills, corners, etc. In addition, a little Luck of the Irish goes a long way too.
$1,000 fine for possession, plus seizure of the unit here in Ontario. The OPP have, at many detachment offices, a 'wall of shame' for seized detectors.
For me, that ramps up the 'overthink' threshold a bit.
I frequently travel a 15 mile stretch of mountain road that is posted 25 miles per hour. It is a twisty mountain road with lots of straight sections many sweeping curves with some sharp curves. On occation I have tried to travel the whole road at 25. It is impossible! Now a pickup truck with poor breaks traveling at 35 mph on the same road would be dangerous.
I would take an attentive driver in a Porsche going 20 mph over the limit vs. anyone going at the limit not paying attention to what they are doing.
That said, we all know the risks when we decide to drive at whatever speeds we believe are reasonable. Its all about good judgement. Sometimes that works out, sometimes it doesn't...
Kris
1999Porsche911
CB is a great way to go. I used to have one in my Subbie, but didn't put one in my Audi. The CB saved me many times.
My opinion: (I only have a Passport in my Audi - and in less than 2 days will have one in my C4S- because that's when I get it in KY)
On the highways my detector is "close" to useless. I live in the northeast, so with a lot of car I can pick up instant on signals a good distance away. I also pay careful attention to brake lights, highway turnoffs, U-turn areas, etc. - and yes I know there are always those "secret" spots.
But where a detector saves me is when I drive on local roads
(sheriffs with Ka) and in NYC (Highway patrol usually has it on all the time).
we have a local place that installs laser defusers. A couple of CGT and GT3 owners had it installed and love them. It warns you and the laser gets an error code 4. They swear by them. I do not bother and spend my money on track time. My daughter lived near there just east of 26th. That road is watched closely by motorcycle police. Good luck. Go to court
With this speeding ticket, I decided to "throw myself on the mercy of the court" and pleaded no contest.
I wrote the judge a short letter explaining that I had been driving for 40 years this June and had **never** **ever** had a moving violation of any kind.
It worked! On Friday, I got a reply from the court declaring me
NOT GUILTY
. They're also refunding my $158 "bail."
Beers all around!!!!
I guess the judge was a liberal, just like me.
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Must be long haul trucking? I thought '99 was a mechanic, a computer builder, and chemist (oil)
all wrapped up in one? I was completely wrong?!?! hehe
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