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YOUR RESEARCHFirst three weeks of ownership = Nightmare!
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most likely bad syncros in the trans
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Fwiw the popping out of gear issue is most likely bad syncros in the trans.
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I've had my bearings in my tranny replaced but also check the wheel bearings.
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If you think this problem is a "Nightmare," you may not really be ready for the reality of Porsche ownership.
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Of course that is not $4,000 - my point is that you must always be prepared to write a big check for these cars.
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I've had my bearings in my tranny replaced but also check the wheel bearings.
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Thanks to many of you, three weeks ago I bought my first 911, an SY '99 (84k miles). I was so excited.
Car had a PPI at a reputable ind. Porsche shop, all checked out okay other than the AOS leaking a little. It had been popping out of 1st gear on occasion, but a second look from another shop confirmed that the shifter cables needed adjustment. It was done, problem solved. Great.
So everything was in order, I drove the car home, and immediately I noticed a small whine/hum in 4th gear at cruising speed (50mph). That just didn't sound right. Then, it starts popping out of first gear again. I've been driving stick for a good 20 years and know what I'm doing, so something was wrong.
Took the car back to the shop that did the shifter cables immediately, and the owner test drove and confirmed the first gear pop out. He also confirmed (so I thought) that the pinion bearing was toast and needed to be replaced. Crap.
Luckily, the dealer I bought from stepped up and paid for the work. They also found another gear that needed replacing in the tranny, and I took the opportunity to have the IMS retro and AOS done.
Two and a half weeks later (yesterday), I get the car back after almost $4,300 in repairs. This also ended up including new shifter cables for the first gear pop out. So I should be set. Right?
NO! The whine/hum is still there, and the thing still pops out of first gear on occasion. WTF! Called the shop this morning and let them know and they are taking it back in on Tuesday to look at it again.
This is a very awkward position to be in. I don't know these cars well enough to know what is wrong on either account, but I feel like I just paid a boatload of money to fix something that wasn't even fixed!
Any ideas or opinions? This shop is well known as being a great independent Porsche place, and they say they are going to make things right. I just don't know what happens at this point as far as what I have to pay for, or what they are going to fix.
Thanks for listening, and any help or consoling is appreciated.
Chris
Bummer but that the shop took the car back with no griping and said it was going to make things right... I'd say give the shop a chance to keep its word.
Sincerely,
Macster.
Yes, I am sorry to hear your issues however. You remind me of my x-wife.
You said the dealer paid for the fix.
You said the shop that did the work is going to go back in and fix it.
You have ONE problem with the car. By you thread title I expected a lot more.
You have ONE problem and other people are trying to fix it for you.
I'm not trying to be rude or harsh. But I dont see big problem(s) here.
I wouldn't call 84k low miles for a Porsche. And, I'm understanding the OP's problem - he bought the car and has had transmission issues - that's probably pretty annoying.
What confuses me, is what cost you $4300 if the dealer is paying for the fix ?
I agree with the other comments. Sounds like everyone is stepping up to help you out. It is so easy to think the worst with these cars (no doubt the high cost of major repairs makes that somewhat justifiable), but I would relax and see what the Indy says.
By your post it sounds like you might have paid $4300 at the Dealer for IMS retro and AOS. Don't go back there.
I had to fix a variety of things on my 2003 I bought last year. I had a PPI done at a dealer and they missed stuff that was needing to be fixed along with saying I needed a $3000 repair at one of the oil pumps that proved to not be needed. That helped negotiate a lower price. All part of buying a used car. Repairs should be expected. Now you have a new IMS and AOS. Sounds like you got good folks working on your behalf.
Getting the IMS retro and AOS done was probably a good idea, and money weill spent (although 4300 seems high), however not related to your popping gear. It looks like they are going to help you out, let us know how it turns out.
If they were taking out the trans to fix it the IMS bearing upgrade should have been the cost of the part and an hour or two. $4,300 sounds like they were passing some of the other cost on to you.
A replacement built up gearbox would be a nice addition. Thats what I would be pushing for and if the guy who sold it to you is any man at all then thats the way he should be going IMHO. I had a whining noise coming from my gearbox and an extended warranty sorted that out for me by replaceing the gearbox for about the same price you paid for the work on the AOS and IMS work. Cost me the cost of an extended warrenty at the time of purchase. I would trust no F***ER when buying a used car. No Dealer. No PPI. Especially on these cars when Previous owners have pissed about working on things they should well leave alone. Also POs who thrash the hell out of them before warm up. "Have you heard this" on a cold engine vruuuuum vruuum my effin ***
. I hate to see someone getting done and it looks like they saw you coming. I hope the Dealer comes up trumps for you. Good luck.
And yet my experience with my car says you're wrong.
I bought my '99 two years ago with 14,176 miles on it. I have put 15,000 miles on it since then. In that time, this is what I've spent -
Regular maintenance:
3 oil changes, 1 brake fluid flush, 1 set of tires, 1 cabin filter and 1 alignment
Unplanned expense:
1 oxygen sensor
Not even close to being a "Money Pit."
If you think this problem is a "Nightmare," you may not really be ready for the reality of Porsche ownership. Occasionally we hear a true bad dream here... An IMS failure, a d-chunk cylinder break, or an oil/coolant intermix.
On a lesser bad dream, last week I dropped a quick $1k to fix a cracked coolant tank, a slight oil leak, and buy a new battery. I'm not made of money by any stretch, but I recognize what it costs to properly maintain these cars... Even the cheaper ones. Of course that is not $4,000 - my point is that you must always be prepared to write a big check for these cars. Reality sometimes bites.
Of course the smile on my face on the way home made it all worthwhile.
Chris, show us what cost the $4300 and we could more likely speculate whether or not you had been given the royal screwing.
If you truly believe that the dealer or indy did not fix the problem that it was there for, take them to court.
Just remember keep a cool head and ask the shop responsible to correct the problem free of charge as they didn't fix the problem in the first place.
Same here. A '99 I've owned since 2003. Now 32k miles. Do all my own oil changes and minor maintenance. Not counting tires (I bought them online), total spent at dealership in the nine years I've had it? About $200 bucks for an alignment. I don't understand the mentality that low miles equals more problems.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the OP isn't as upset about the problems (though they are something to be upset about, no doubt), he's more pissed about how he had the car checked out and other than AOS, it got a pass. He bought the car and now all this other stuff happens.
I went through a similar deal when I bought my SC. I can tell you I was really jacked that I got the PPI, did my homework, etc.... and still got F'd. Yes, I know it's been said before that a PPI is not a guarantee but where do you draw the line on what a good indy doing a PPI should pick up? I'd like to think if the OP picked up on the issues, a tech should be able to as well.
As for the rest of whats been said - Yeah, give them a chance to make it right. And definitely see what the $4300 included, but I know I'd be pissed too, I'd want to drive my car after I bought it, not have it sit in a shop.
Fwiw the popping out of gear issue is most likely bad syncros in the trans. If it was just cable related you would expect problems in 3rd and likely 5th as well. Just my .02
It sounds like you didn't give it a good test drive after the pre-purchase repairs of you immediately noticed the whine on your drive home. Caveat Emptor. That said it sounds like the shop has indicated they will do right by you. Give them a chance and hopefully it will turn out alright.
As others have said, just because it didn't cost a lot to buy, doesn't mean it's cheap to maintain. It is a Porsche.
Thanks for the comments everyone. I know, compared to what could happen with these cars, you are right, it really isn't a "nightmare." It's really more of what Mickey356 said, I felt like I did all my homework, had a good PPI, knew exactly what I was getting into, and it ends up in the shop anyway. And then after two and a half weeks waiting for the repairs, it's still not fixed.
As for the $4,300, that was the total for the entire bill that the dealer who sold it to me and I had to pay total. My part was only $1300 to have the IMS retro, AOS, and oil change done. The other money (dealer) went towards dropping the tranny, putting in various seals, an angular ball bearing, synchronizer, pinion bearing, fixed gear, and new shifter cables.
Question: if they had the tranny out and replaced some things in it and already knew about the first gear thing, would they have noticed bad syncros? Are they visible to the point where you can see that they are bad?
As for the test drive, I guess you are right. I really should have noticed. But I had never driven a 911 before, and the guy was talking with me the whole time. My friend told me that they have a different sound than a front engine car. So I thought nothing of it. But when I really started to do some shifting and listening in different gears, that fourth gear just started sounding more and more strange, and just not right.
The shop is stepping up and I am very thankful for that. We'll see what happens and I'll keep you updated.
Chris
Chris when you get the car back (BTW mine was in there for 4 weeks) make sure that your battery is fully charged before you try things out. I am not saying the battery has anything to do with the gear jumpimng out of mesh, no way, but lots of other little things can seem wrong on a partially charged battery. They managed to run mine down and then even suggested I buy a new battery from them (The robbing Ba*****s).. I got it checked at Pep Boys and there was nothing wrong with the one I had. It was only 16 months old and has been running daily since last June when the tranny job was done.
Im glad they are stepping up. I am in my first p-car, also 1999 996. Had a PPI etc done as well, and so far so good. I am planning a major service soon, as the maintenance history is spotty, although my indy thinks we are in good shape. Ill take on some simpler thing my self (like o/c and belts) but i am in no way mechanically inclined. Figure that in the first year ill be "fixin" next year "moddin"
..year three ? ? trading.
Personally, I think they just flushed the tranny and told you they rebuilt it. A quality rebuild requires tear down and takes time. This is a great thread for reference.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...y-project.html
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