When is Porsche getting back into Formula ONE??

When is Porsche getting back into Formula ONE?? Just curious. Watching Monaco F1 ealier and didnt see our beloved marque ont he grid. Google article: In the 1961-1962 season, Porsche participated as a constructor but produced just one win in a championship race, claimed by Dan Gurney at the 1962 French Grand Prix. In a non-championship race, one week later Stuttgart's Solitude it repeated the success. At the end of the season, Porsche retired from F1 due to the high costs. In 1983, Porsche returned to Formula One, supplying engines badged as TAG units for the McLaren Team. It was a success as the Porsche-powered cars won two constructor championships in 1984 and 1985 and three driver crowns in 1984, 1985 and 1986. Less than ten years later, in 1991, Porsche returned as a engine supplier, but this time the results were disastrous: Footwork, the Porsche-powered cars, didn’t score a single point and at over half of the races it even failed to qualify. Since that year, Porsche has not participated to Formula One.

They should buy the Super Aguri assets, they are going up for auction. If they do buy, they would probably run it under the VW banner ....

Or... they could take their record profits they are using to develop our cars, bale it up, and dump it in the ocean.

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Truer words never spoken. Look at the money Honda has and how much of it they have poured into their F1 program for very little success. Honestly, money and technology isn't what wins F1 anymore. Ferrari having the FIA firmly in their pocket does. Ferrari gets to push the envelope just that bit further without FIA penalty than does McLaren or BMW. Your car has to be 110% of Ferrari's.

Wow....conspiracy theories anyone!!

What do they possibly have to gain from participating? They certainly don't need the marketing exposure. They're the most successful independent car manufacturer. They are having huge success in ALMS with the RS Spyder (if they�d only take it to Le Mans). Our beloved rear-engine 911s are always in a great battle with Ferrari in GT2. It�s kind of like an underdog story � the ancient rear-engine design vs all that Italian passion. That's enough to maintain their racer status with enthusiast customers. I don�t see what they can gain from getting back into the circus.

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+1 I love watching F1, but I would hate to see Porsche there again. Toyota supposedly spends more money than even Ferrari and where has it gotten them? (BTW, their team is based in Germany.) Besides, I like the more direct connection between our cars and the cars that Porsche races now.

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+2 F1 is so freakin' expensive and Porsche is doing so well with the RS spider in ALMS, why mess with success?

They already sponsor the track maps what else do ya want? Cubic dollars in this case do not translate into success and as stated earlier all the other programs have translated into sales (well maybe not the RS Spyders).

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http://www.wired.com/cars/coolwheels.../ff_formulaone It certainly isn't a smoking gun but it does give amazing insight into what it take to contend in F1. It also hints at some of the inequities where the FIA's handling of Ferrari's "bending of the rules" is concerned. Let's not even mention the unfair sweet heart arrangement between Ferrari and Bridgestone and Bridgestone's unfair advantage over Michelin where testing venues is concerned. Don't get me wrong, here. I love Italian exotics. I LOVE Ferraris. But I wish Ferrari and Ducati practiced less manipulation of the governing bodies so that I didn't have to put up with the cries of foul.

EPEGASUS! thanks for the link to the article about F1, really enjoyed getting some more background on last years story! Pete

Pszikla, Are you going to the Montreal GP in two weeks? If you show up a little early you'll see a great Porsche race. Maybe even one with red flames! Jim

Jim, are you serious, you're going to be in the race? Yes I'll be there, Senna corner, silver section!! Pete

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I'll be racing in the IMSA Challenge Cup at 4:00 pm on Saturday and 8:30 am on Sunday. It sort of sucks we are so early on Sunday. At Miller a couple of weeks ago we were right before the ALMS race. Any suggestions on where we should watch the F1 race from? I think our drivers credentials will get us into general admission areas but not the grandstands. Jim

Jim, general admission is a little tough to see the race well because a lot of people are standing up in front of the fences so your view becomes really limited to a narrow area and with the cars moving so fast you really don't see much. However, if you can bully your way to the fence, then the best spots in my opinion are the Senna corner which you probably know is the "S' curve after the start/finish line or the tip of the hairpin at the opposite end of the track. Those are the 2 areas where the cars are in view for the longest time. Either one is fun, the Senna corner because it squeezes cars together into an "S" curve and the hairpin because of the downshifting from near top speed and upshifting as they come out of the hairpin. I'll absolutely be cheering you on!!

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Pete, Thanks for the info. We'll see what kind of deal we can make for better seats although just laying in the sun listening to the F1 cars go by doesn't sound like a bad way to spend the afternoon. Cool, I'll have a cheering section. Don't expect much. It's only my second IMSA race and I'm in a 2007 which is a step or two slower than the 08s. (You can tell them apart by their numbers. The 08s have red. The 06-07s have teal.) I'll be pretty happy if I run mid-pack and don't wreck my car. Jim

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Hey Jim, are you going to race at Laguna Seca in the fall too? Re: F1, I agree it doesn't make sense to make such a huge gamble when they're having great success now and putting lots of resources into the RS Spyder program. F1 = fickle one.

I would bet they never will return. They are going to have their hands full as it is in the sportscar series.

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[QUOTE=GaryAZ;5445552] (if they�d only take it to Le Mans). QUOTE] I believe there is a European team running a Spyder at Le Mans. I'd love to do Laguna but unless I find a rich uncle I don't see it happening. The IMSA races are very expensive and the risk of major damage is high. You never know though. Maybe I'll be over the shock of these two races by fall. As for F1, I sure hope they stay away. I�d much rather see them put their resources into customer cars like the Spyder, RSR and cup cars. F1 would suck up all of their money and all of their engineering and running at the front would be very hard.

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Wow, that was incredibly biased. Anyhow, I would love to see Porsche in F1 but it's definitely not gonna happen anytime soon. Theres a statement by Weideking pretty much making it black and white but I cant find it on google right now.

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Hey Jim. I remember seeing you race during the IMSA event at Miller. My 9 year old son and I couldn't wait to see the GT3 Cups race, but were disappointed by that long yellow caused by the crash during the first lap. It was a great day, however. I hope you enjoyed running at Miller. -Blake

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+1. Porsche has a history of producing race cars that they sell to their customers so that everyone (with big bucks) can play. F1 is pretty much a factory-only affair.

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Blake, Sorry you didn't get to see more of a race. The crash on the first lap was pretty ugly. Driving into that dust cloud with almost zero visibility was the scariest thing I�ve done in a race car. I just missed the car that started it all by driving off the track and then barely missed two more in the dirt. When the dust cleared there were cars piled up all over. What a mess. I�m sure watching us drive around at 50 mph for 20 minutes was even more boring than being in the car. Where did you watch from? We watched most of the ALMS race from the stands by the down-hill esses. Great spot. We had a good time in Utah. SLC is a nice city and the facilities at the track are by far the best I�ve ever seen. The track isn�t one of my favorites but it was OK. The first three corners and Wicked are great but there are way too many slow turns. We were in 2nd for 4 corners. I had big set up problems on Friday and for qualifying that I never recovered from but still had a great time even if the results weren�t what I�d hoped for. So you live in Park City and drive a 94 Speedster? Where did I go wrong? Jim

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And the cool part is that after a few years those factory customer cars can be driven my normal guys like us! Go to one of the big PCA club races and you'll see dozens of cup cars, and handful of R/RS/RSRs and maybe even a 962.