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YOUR RESEARCHC4S in the snow as a Daily Driver
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The only real issue is ground clearance but I drove my car on numerous occasions where was reported snow falls of 12 inches.
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But if you are like most of us - change cars every 3-4 years - then I doubt you'll see any damage from the salt.
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I could use the awd, but not at the expense of ride.
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If I go with the 997, it will be specifically for full year use, damn the wear.
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How many of you drive your C4S in the snow all winter? I may be getting one and making it the driver.
But not sure how it will do in the snow. I have heard with snows it should do ok. But was looking for real world feedback.
It will be great in the snow with the proper tires. I drove my 996 C2 for 3 years in the snow with absolutely no problems. In fact it was very fun to drive and the weight distribution of the 996 really makes for effective starts in the slick stuff. The only real issue is ground clearance but I drove my car on numerous occasions where was reported snow falls of 12 inches. Buy and enjoy. Here are a couple of pics after my drive home from work after a 12 inch snow fall during the day:
Hey Tim, I drive my C4 as a daily driver in the winter. Just get snow tires and drive! It will do just fine as long as the snow does not get to deep or you find yourself on deep rutted roads.
Ummmmmm what did you give up your Pcar for?
I drove my 3.2 Carrera in the snow, so the C4 will do even better, IMO. It is best to get a set of snow tires, but it is not necessary, as any Ultra-High-Performance all-season M+S (Mud+Snow) will work pretty well. For those who hate it when someone puts all-season tires on their Porsche, consider that my all-seasons hold better on the racetrack than some summer-only tires.
I just bought my car a couple of months ago. My new rims and snow tires are on the way to me right now.
I can hardly wait for the white stuff to fly. Which probably means we'll have a winter without any snow this year!
Only fear I would have is the fear of some other idiot hitting me in my snow tire equipped 911. I have found that people can't drive when it rains, and are even worse in the snow!
I'm planning to upgrade to a 997C4S next year as a replacement for my '99
C2. Snow use is my primary motivation.
Interesting, and certainly reassuring, to read all your comments about snow performance.
Also interesting that if you read the 997 threads on this topic to see the perspective difference. Here there is a lot of enthusiasm for snow use. On the 997 forum, preservation of the car (salt damage, other driver's hitting you, etc.) seems the primary concern, with the car's capabilities confirmed but more as an afterthought.
I can understand that. I babied my car when it was new, too. Now that it's 8 years old, I realize that "harder" use or "harsher" treatment would have made a $3000 difference max in resale value. Hardly worth worrying about when NOT using it in winter "costs" me 5 months a year of enjoyment.
If I go with the 997, it will be specifically for full year use, damn the wear. I'll full bra the car, probably get all season mats to protect the carpets, wash it as best I can and enjoy. If I don't, it'll be out of worry that I'll torture myself over what I'm doing to the car. I'm old enough now to think I'll go for it.....
Any recommendations for all season? That is a possibility I had not considered. Now, if only my wife will stop thinking I am crazy for considering year round use.
eek... I feel that all seasons are jack of all trades master of none.
I love the high performace tires in the summer. Then you get a great set of snow tires and you know the car is performing the way it should.
And you get to buy a new set of rims and tires!!! And she can't say no, come on people think outside the box.
I'm considering a C4S for year round use as well. I'm thinking that I'll lease it and put snow tires on it. I'll turn it in at 36,000 miles and get a different model. PCNA can worry about the salt and sand. The cars are depreciating anyway, so we might as well drive them. Good to read that the car is suitable for year round driving, including snow. By the way, can anyone comment on ride quality difference between the C2S and C4S. Does the C4S have a firmer ride?
I upgraded from my 968 to an '02 C4 cab specifically for this reason. I hated to let it sit for 6 months waiting for the CO snow to melt. My plan is to absolutely drive it year-round. You're trading in your
S4? I also have a pair of S8's, but will keep them for sure since they can hold all my skis for races.
I clear-bra'd the car, bought a set of 17" cup wheels for dedicated snow tires, and when I do the wheel swap I'll also drop the aluminum hard top back on for winter driving. That's what really sold me on this car- pure cab in the summer and a hardtop in the winter. Let it snow!
What about the C4? Can you compare it's ride to the C2 (with PASM) and the C2S? I'm trying to strike a balance between sporty and comfort. I could use the awd, but not at the expense of ride.
Thanks,
kayjh
As the farmers down south who drive Ford 4X4s say, "4-wheel-drive just gets you stuck deeper in the mud."
Unless you really need the C4, I don't know why Porsche keeps building them, especially given that the C2 with snow tires will be able to go just about anywhere.
I can see it on the Turbo, however, since it has 500 lb-ft of torque and could use the traction of 4x4.
I haven't even owned my C4 a full year, but I got it at the end of December, so I didn't let a little snow hold me back.
I agree with your sentiments. It IS just a car after all, and I bought it to enjoy driving it, not to enjoy looking at it in the garage. If I stored it all winter, I think I'd really only be getting 2/3 of the enjoyment I'd paid for.
OMG. What kind of SUV do you have?!
But seriously, guys who drive these all winter long: What precautions do you take to deal with salt? Just frequent washings? Surely you don't rustproof... would love to hear from experience. I'd like to drive mine this winter, but Toronto is squarely in the salt belt, and I am compelled to park in underground lots, where it can do its evil work.
I drive my 1999 C4 all year round, and from November through March it's snow time.
Most of the time it's hard pack snow on the roads, and you don't get so dirty. Even still, you should count on spraying the car off often - I do about 2 times a week in winter - it's worth it.
When it gets slushy though, it's a bit of hell on the car, and that's when I might consider taking a different car to work. This muck has to be washed off daily.
But if the car is not driven, it's costing you more sitting in the garage. C4 want's to be driven. Enjoy.
I have Pirelli Snow Sports, and they are very good in all winter conditions.
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Ths salt hasn't seemed to hurt any of the 5 Porsches I've driven in the winter over the years. The are made of galvanized steel, which doesn't appear to be too prone to corrosion.
If I had a car that I intended to keep for the duration , I probably would not drive it in the winter. My '79 930 has not seen salt in the time I have owned it. But if you are like most of us - change cars every 3-4 years - then I doubt you'll see any damage from the salt.
Agreed. These cars will hold up find overall, but living close to one of those "you-spray-it" car washes is a big help. Spend as much time with the soapy hose under the car as you do on top. Put a good coat of wax on the car before winter season and you'll be fine.
