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YOUR RESEARCHso i test drove a 07 Cayman S, man that car
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It was all working to plan until the assistant salesman came out and ran off with the car keys.
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Used properly both get the job done, but the 997 is a little less forgiving of errors in unskilled hands.
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There was also a 997 TT in my run group that was eating everyone's lunch...it was his second DE.
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i really liked the Cayman much better than the 01 996 tip i test drove a couple of weeks ago.
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is fast, fun and loud, very crisp shifting and smooth clutch.
even the wife was impressed by it.
i really liked the Cayman much better than the 01 996 tip i test drove a couple of weeks ago.
lol to clarify, what i'm saying is... there's too much hype. the cayman is nice, but it's not better than a base carrera, even a 996.
even when i got back into my slow4S, i didn't feel that big of a let down compaerd to the 997TT because basically the feel is the same save for the mad power. the skin is about the same. the lag is still there. it's insanely fast. it's insanely smooth. it's kinda boring.
i still need to flog a gt3 to see if that's where it's at else i need to start looking at a ferrari.
My slow4S did not "wow" me at first either, even after driving a base boxster for the previous 6 years. I have come to find however that the C4S really wakes up a 100 plus. That's where you can really appreciate the cars power.
I like the feel of the cayman better than my 996 and would have bought one if there was a place to put my son. I think the cayman was one of the most connected feeling cars that I have ever driven- just MO
Guys, I admit the Cayman S is a very fascinating car but we've to compare apples to apples. Not AWD C4S or tt cars to the RWD, lighter Cayman S and surely not tiptronic cars.
A base 996 C2 6-speed (MK1) and a Cayman S are indeed not too different cars but the mid- vs. rear engine concept. Latter one needs in my eyes more perfection to drive fast.
Ben, if you're bored with your C4S, then don't drive a tt. Get a 997 C2S or a 996 GT3. The heavy AWD cars you're comparing to the Cayman are smooth (and fast in the case of the tt) but they feel like a luxury sedan and not like a sports car.
I personally can only feel the fascination of driving a Porsche in a RWD car. Last time on the track I took a ride in my 996C2 a 996GT3 and a 996tt. The least car I'd like to own for the track is the tt; too indirect and heavy for my taste, too forgiving. In the C2 or GT3 you need to be very smooth with all inputs whereas the tt can be driven fast from less capable drivers - just floor it. The tt helps you out whenever you make a minor mistake - to me that's boring. In the C2 and GT3 (both no PSM) the driver needs to correct the mistake. That's like: if your Daddy buys you all the toys, you never get a feeling for the price/value.
When some people define the Boxster as "Poor Man Porsche", then the Turbo can be called the "Rich Man Porsche for those that can't drive but want to be fast".
hwk i completely agree with your recommendation. i didn't go for the 996TT for the first time around because the lagginess wasn something i just could not grow to like coming from the I6 M3 engine in my '04. the awd grip is astonishing. u just feel so safe pushing it, yet with the safety you lose some level of excitment which leads me to pursuing another RWD car for my next car.
i need to drive a 997GT3. i don't like the looks of the 996GT3.
before buing my C4S, I test drove a new Cayman S. To me, the C4S had more power and the Cayman S had better handling. I choose the C4S because I need the back seat and since I was coming from a Z06, i wanted some power.
The reality is that the Cayman and C4S have about the same power, but the Cayman S had just come out, so every example a drove was not really broken in yet.
I have quite a few track laps in my GF's Cayman S and thousands of track miles in a 996. As I've said before, the Cayman is the car Porsche should be developing as it's top end sports car. The 911 variants should be evolved into GT cars for guys that want to say they have a 911. The Cayman is a damn fine sports car.
As for the turbo, I hate them on the track. It's like driving a tank with a jet engine.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Jim
I drove a Cayman S on the track at Hockenheim in Germany. Had a blast and it seemingly had about the same power and a little better handling than my base 996. There was also a 997 TT in my run group that was eating everyone's lunch...it was his second DE. Say what you want. I've seen at least one TT at every event I've been to that is very fast. With that said, there is also at least one Z06 that is very fast as well.
997GT3 is really what I'd go for after any 996 (maybe not after a 996GT2).
Although the 996 GT3 is a sweet car, I've a 996 now and would not buy another 996. Just holding the same steering wheel would not satisfy me. If I'd be so crazy to spend so much money for a car one day, I'd get a 997GT3. A little more rational thinking, I'd get a 997C2S or a Cayman S; all under the condition that I keep my 996 Cab as I need to have at least one convertible.
It's a personal preference but handling and driver involvment is more to me than bare power (GT3 vs. tt). Here's a great German vid, comparing the 997GT3 with the 997tt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV1aMlPGZkQ
no so, i have had 964 993c2s 996c2, 996c4s. other than GT3, i will not take any of them over a cayman S. and on a track, the first 4 car mentioned will have to work it's *** off to keep up with cayman s. stock to stock of course.
best dual purpose car i have had. finally got it to all set up.
now if they would fit this motor and gear box in the cayman and keep the price below CGT... nirvana.
I drove the Cayman while 996 shopping last year and I thought it was stunning. Very connected, plenty power for the average driver like me......
However, I had to go for the extra two seats, the money for an optioned new one easily takes you into 911 territory and in the end, given the choice between a Cayman or a 911 for the same money was not a decision I lingered over........
Ive always said that the 911 rear engine placement design is on borrowed time. Porsche can make powerful, reliable engines... but they have to put electronics in place to aid the driver because of the rear engine layout. In a way, its counter productive...
The problem with the cayman is that it wasnt designed to be the best it could be... shame on porsche!
I drove a base Cayman against a 997 C2 autocross and at Lime Rock and even to me, a track virgin, it was instantly apparent how Porsche had created a car for the marketing dept.. In the corners the Cayman was more nimble, stable and forgiving than it's older brother. But of course the engine was rubbish. The power-weight ratio is the 997's advantage.
By way of analogy, the Cayman is like a Bic disposable razor and the 997 is like a straight razor. Used properly both get the job done, but the 997 is a little less forgiving of errors in unskilled hands.
With a 3.6 L NA 996, the power-weight ratio is about equal with a Cayman S, but the improvements in the clutch and shifter action, and throttle response would make me favor the newer car. I had a 2007 Boxter loaner recently and boy was it a let down to get back to the controls in my car. That loaner program is deadly, like handing out free crack.
What I want to know is how the new E90 M3 is going to stack up. On paper that thing is a monster.
smack, the E92 M3 is a monster on paper esp in the weight dept...
the already porky 996/997s and all the things you love about the Boxster and Cayman is attributable to their unporkiness which impacts everything (acceleration, braking, cornering, etc etc).
i love the M3 for what it is, but for driving fun, it pales in comparison to the 911/cayman/boxster.
There's something wrong here: who cares about the look on a GT3? This car was made to be driven not to stare...hehehe...there are many Ferrari guys in this board
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The CaymanS was maybe the only car the salesman had to pull me out of with both his hands, but i jammed my foot under the brake pedal and stuck my hand in his face. It was all working to plan until the assistant salesman came out and ran off with the car keys.
The FIA GT2 class in 2007 is a glaring indication that the CaymanS needs to play a larger role in sprint sports car racing or the 997 needs to go mid engine. Leave the 997 GT3 for endurance events. The F430 is drilling the 997 GT3 and the new Scuderia is lighter than the current 430 and more powerful than a Z06.
