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YOUR RESEARCHMy front end is loose - Problem solved (I am an idiot)!

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Check circuit breakers and everything seemed okay

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I checked all the circuit breakers and everything seemed okay.

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Easy to check/replace, $300+ for parts though.

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Check strut mount at the top of the trunk

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I also checked the strut mount at the top of the trunk, to make sure they were tight.

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Install regular 2-way switch

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The PO had installed a regular 2-way switch on a 3-Way circuit...took longer to write the check than it did for the electrician to figure it out

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Replace diapers was real foul.....in fact

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20 minutes later, it was determined that my wife had moved the garbage pail out to the porch because one of the recently changed diapers was real foul.....in fact ...

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Run through this one outlet

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It seems all the bathroom GFI circuits ran through this one outlet.

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Easy to check/replace, $300+ for parts though.

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Check circuit breakers and everything seemed okay

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I checked all the circuit breakers and everything seemed okay.

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Check gfi outlet

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That's not as bad as writing a check for a GFI outlet that was tripped!

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Check nuts

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yeah, check your nuts!

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Check strut mount at the top of the trunk

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I also checked the strut mount at the top of the trunk, to make sure they were tight.

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Check stuff - at a charge of $150 per hour

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Nice, but my guy is also glad to look and check stuff - at a charge of $150 per hour!

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Check than it did

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It took me longer to write the check than it did for him to "fix" the problem.

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The PO had installed a regular 2-way switch on a 3-Way circuit...took longer to write the check than it did for the electrician to figure it out

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Check trunk

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Next time when I hear something clunking around in the front, I'll check the trunk!

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Check with sunset

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I'll check with Sunset.

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Inspect front end

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and you got a chance to inspect your front end!

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My current suspect [just from reading other threads] is tie rods, particularly the inner ones.

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Problem solved, the hard way!

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I am not sure on the C4 / Turbo but gt3 used different ones for sure

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I took the car on a local trip to the store last night, over some rough patches in the road through town. With the radio off for a change, I kept hearing what sounds like the steering wheel rattling around when hitting bumps (aside from the usual squeaks and leather on leather noises from the seats). Like I forgot to tighten the telescopic adjuster. Or something? I read about loose shock mounts, if this was the case, would I hear it as if it were INSIDE the car? Or am I hearing vibration from outside that transfers to the inside? All in all, the car doesn't feel solid as a rock, or at least it doesn't sound solid, know what I mean?

POST 2Original post

the old ship has some creaks and grones ehe ? So its tough to tell as sound often tranfers quite a ways from the source. I would suggest removing the front wheels and making the car really stable on some stands and getting in there. Try banging with your fist, a rubber mallot, pull on parts, wiggle them, use your weight and really push stuff around. Bang up and down and left and right, fore and aft. You should be able to find something - might need a spare pair of ears too. If not, have an indy shop do the same, they know what and where to look and most likely will find something like tie rod ends, drop links, a bushing or some other small part that need replacement - you may also need an alignment when done - GL

POST 3Original post

There's one nut that holds the wheel on. If it's loose, you should be able to rock the wheel side to side.

POST 4Original post

Did you accidentally put a LIVE hooker in the trunk?

POST 5 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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Ha! It must be Batts, I thought he was dead! It sounds like all my front lug bolts are loose. Maybe I should re-torque, before bringing it to the mechanic.

POST 6Original post

I am guessing tie rod ends/balljoints or in the case of the 996 lower control arm bushings

POST 7Original post

I love a nice Goodfellas reference in the morning! yeah, check your nuts! also look at the suspension.

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That would be a scary surprise

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Yeah, it probably is bushings that are worn, causing a loose rattly sound/feel. But at 21k miles? Or is it a suspension pressure / time issue regardless of miles? To the mechanic it will go, probably Monday. Bye bye $$!

POST 10Original post

do you have an alingment guy? You might consider that route... if he is really sharp on PCars just tell him whats symptoms you have and he can swap parts and align it all at once.... I know my guy would be happy to look at it for a very low cost or even free - he just loves these cars and would be there to look and help just a thought

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Nice, but my guy is also glad to look and check stuff - at a charge of $150 per hour! He's an air cooled snob, and works on later 911's because he has to. He does know the cars though.

POST 13 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I like the current snob! Close, and friendly. Here's an update: I turned the wheel with the car off, while in the nice quiet garage. I hear a clunk when I turn the wheel each way - kind of high pitched, between a click and a clunk if that makes any sense. Does that point more to bushings, ball joints, etc? Or do they all do this?

POST 14Original post

Ditto on the clunk. My current suspect [just from reading other threads] is tie rods, particularly the inner ones. I'm still pretty unfamiliar with this car, so I'm not just going at it quite yet. todd 99 coupe

POST 15 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I checked RennTech, and found a common cause of a clunk in the front end is loose or shot drop links. http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...13118&hl=clunk Easy to check/replace, $300+ for parts though. I'm going to put the car on stands in the front and check mine to see if they are loose, or in need of replacement tomorrow (weather permitting).

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Thats what mine was - $300 is WAY high for parts... I bought mine local for $165 for both - sunset would surely be less and it not an emergency repair... Very easy job... you should lift the weight off the wheel though to check it and replace it...I hit mine with my fist... it was simple to know right away there were shot

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I guess some mail order parts places charge list price! I'll check with Sunset. So, if they are loose, does that mean tightening the nuts wont get them back to where they should be? Or once they are loose, they wear out?

POST 18Original post

it is a ball and socket - the ball is threaded, thats what you tighten to the car... but the socket is just a pressed piece that traps the ball in place.. .once the socket becomes loose there is no way to re-form it around the ball... ball being loose in the socket causes the rattle noise _ this is the same concept for all ball joints, tie rod ends, and drop links so the sound is the same but produced by different means.... make sense?

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I would think drop links would be one of the cheapest components for the car - $165.0!??!?! Any advantage to go with turbo links, or just stick with standard? (Not planning to 'lower' the car yet)

POST 20 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Oh, I get it. The pieces are joined like ball joints, and the drop link unit bolts to the sway bar and strut tower. So when they wear, the ball joint part wears, not the part that bolts to the suspension. From the photo of the drop link, it looked like a solid piece, causing my confusion. Thanks. Pellican has them for $82 each. I guess that's high! I thought you would have to replace all 4 at once-or do you usually only need the front replaced? My $300+ quote was for all 4 drop links.

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Sunset will have cheaper still. Does the C4 use a different link?

POST 22Original post

$300 for 4 is OK - I would replace them in pairs as a minimum - glad it made sense I am not sure on the C4 / Turbo but gt3 used different ones for sure

POST 23 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

So I picked the most humid disgusting morning (yesterday) to put the car on jack stands in the front, remove the front wheels, and poke around my suspension to see what was causing that strange clunking. I checked out my drop links - tight. Sway bar bushings, fine. Nothing loose or worn looking. Great. I also checked the strut mount at the top of the trunk, to make sure they were tight. Check. So after sweating like Nixon for an hour, I reach into my spare tire cover to get my handy tire mounting hanger, and what do I find? The heavy tow hook had fallen out of the tool bag, and was lying on the bottom of the spare tire cover, resting against the spare tire rim! Guess what was making that clunking noise whenever I hit a bump?? Yup! Problem solved, the hard way! Thanks for all your advice. Next time when I hear something clunking around in the front, I'll check the trunk!

POST 24Original post

So the noise made the car feel more loose in your head? HAHA! Well better that than spending a lot of $$$ chasing a non-existent problem!

POST 25 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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Ha! No, the handling never felt loose, I just thought something was loose to make this clanking noise!

POST 27 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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Yup, I was all set to bring the car to Autohaus. Gene would have found nothing wrong, or, start changing out the usual suspects. All because of a tool rattling around in the trunk! Pheww is right!

POST 28Original post

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Lets just consider it a good save.... and you got a chance to inspect your front end!

POST 29Original post

That's the cheapest suspension repair we've seen all week - way to go.

POST 30Original post

I think you should run down to your indy shop, bring him a 6 pack - and say... this because I didnt need you !! - Tell him the story and have a good laugh WTG !!

POST 31Original post

Hey I think we've all had those moments... Mine happened when I called an electrician to my house because one of our bathrooms had lost power. I checked all the circuit breakers and everything seemed okay. I tried to troubleshoot for quite some time and finally gave up and called for help. He came in, looked in my garage and found a GFI outlet that had been tripped. Pressed the button and all was fixed. It seems all the bathroom GFI circuits ran through this one outlet. It took me longer to write the check than it did for him to "fix" the problem. I lost a few man points that day...

POST 32Original post

Thats nothing - I came home one day when my kids were little and the house "smelled real funny" - outside too... we just had a new gas line run (was oil heat) and I thought... holy crud.. everyone out !! I called the fire dept to have them come have a look.... they sent them ALL!!! I mean there were 5 fire trucks 2 ambulances and the natural gas company ALL in my culdesack.... Firemen running into the house with oxygen tanks on and axs in hand... me and the wife and kids standing in the yard thing WTF???? WOW - neighbors all sowing up.... a real big production - 20 minutes later, it was determined that my wife had moved the garbage pail out to the porch because one of the recently changed diapers was real foul.....in fact ... it really stunk after sitting in the sun fro a while!! explain that one to ALL your neighbors

POST 33Original post

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OMG thats funny. Been there done it! (well 20 years back or so mind you) You'd sware you need a bio hazard team from homeland it can get so bad.

POST 34 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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Two words that saved the day when my kids were in diapers: Diaper Geenie!!

POST 35Original post

LOL !!! Right before we sold our previous house I got fed up with the downstairs lights not being able to be turned off and on from the top of the stairs for the past six years. Troublshot till the cows came home and could not figure it out. Finally called in the electrician and he took a 1milisecond look at the switch and said "It's your switch..." HUH!?!?! The PO had installed a regular 2-way switch on a 3-Way circuit...took longer to write the check than it did for the electrician to figure it out

POST 36 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

That's not so bad. It's not like YOU were willing to turn off the power and trouble shoot switches and wiring, right? That's not as bad as writing a check for a GFI outlet that was tripped!

POST 37Original post

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...funny beer $ cards stories

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Oh sure...Have fun at my expense!!! Literally as if I remember correctly the service call wasn't exactly cheap!

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