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Best advice, always get that PPI no matter how "clean" the car is, don't be afraid to "overpay" if its truly the right car for you, and finally, when you know, you know.
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I bought my 99' C2 with no PPI, for $20,500 with 48,000 miles, and unnecessarily replaced the IMS, RMS, and clutch....
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Best advice, always get that PPI no matter how "clean" the car is, don't be afraid to "overpay" if its truly the right car for you, and finally, when you know, you know.
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NADA puts it at $28,125 for "clean retail" and Clearvalue says $29,640.
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I test drove an '03 996 that I really liked a lot (guards red, sport group, 47K miles).
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Best advice, always get that PPI no matter how "clean" the car is, don't be afraid to "overpay" if its truly the right car for you, and finally, when you know, you know.
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Hi everyone,
Just wanted to introduce myself, and thank this community for the wealth of information on here! After reading a lot about Porsches in general, I decided a 996 would be the best choice for me. This would be the first P-car for me, and it's something I've dreamed about since being a kid.
Anyway, I'm in the LA area so this is Porsche central seems like. I test drove an '03 996 that I really liked a lot (guards red, sport group, 47K miles). Car seemed in great shape, and the asking price was $27.9K. I mentioned I wanted to get a full PPI done, which the dealership agreed to. Scheduled it for today, but didn't hear anything. I called the dealership (family business; I'll leave their name out of it I guess), but they seem hesitant to take it in for the PPI now (at Vision Motorsports). The salesperson is supposed to "call me right back", but they seem to be flaking.
Frustrating! I was getting so excisted last night that I could hardly sleep. Oh well, maybe this is a good lesson for me! I'll have to keep looking out there. Rought start though!
I dont think thats a rough start more like a warning to stay away from dealers that wont let you do a PPI, I am looking myself and theres a lot of cars out there, hang in there.
I'm also in the search for a 996, the first one i had a ppi done on needed $ more than the asking price.
you'll never get a good deal at a dealer. your paying for all the employee wages rent on the building all there bills for being in operation etc etc and the profit they hope to make when you buy a car from them.
find one with low miles the the PO has taken care of
The search can be a lot of fun. If you enjoy driving lots of PCars, negotiating with car salesmen and playing CSI all at the same time. I looked for almost a year. Best advice, always get that PPI no matter how "clean" the car is, don't be afraid to "overpay" if its truly the right car for you, and finally, when you know, you know. Pull the trigger and don't look back, unless its in your new rear view mirror. Good luck!
+1 I would view this as a good thing. You got an early example of what situations to avoid. That will be applied to every example going fwd. Nothing but good experience there.
Always be ready to walk away and dont fall in love with it before you bring it home
Not sure if you are interested in a convertible but thought I should reach out since in CA also. I have mine listed for sale and can get a PPI done at dealership if interested.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...oem-parts.html
I looked for a year - probably around 20 cars. I finally found the one I wanted about 250 miles away from my house. I am told I overpaid by around $2K.
But I got the car I wanted.
Here's one near me. A classic case of "original owner not being able to come to terms with depreciation?"
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3957527203.html
NADA puts it at $28,125 for "clean retail" and Clearvalue says $29,640.
Walk away from any seller who refuses (or slow rolls) a PPI. There are tons of 996's for sale right now. I just helped a friend buy a 2000 C2 with 62K miles in perfect condition for $18K. Most sellers have been trying to sell their cars for months. Its a buyers market, no reason to fall in love and overpay.
In Arizona the market is the same way, over priced 996s and they will sit. When I started seeing prices in the $24ks for cabs with 50k+ miles, well lets just say I want to stay around that price range for my search
Good advice, guys. I'll make sure to go through the process level-headed and patient. PPI is a must, but not falling in love until it's all settled ain't easy!
I am not suggesting anything but... I bought my 99' C2 with no PPI, for $20,500 with 48,000 miles, and unnecessarily replaced the IMS, RMS, and clutch.... and 8 months later don't regret it the least bit.
if you don't plan on doing really high mileage, if I were in your shoes I would be tempted to look at a higher mileage 997 instead of moderate mileage 996, especially if you plan to be out of the car within 2 years. 997.1's are subject to the same over-supply as 996s.
I would be hessitant to budget near $30K money on an m96 car. Granted, m97 are NOT hugely better the way 2009+ motors are, but it's buying a now 8 year old design vs. a 14 year old design for hardly a $3K difference. The same money it will cost you to upgrade a single-row 996.2 IMSB to the LNE Solution.. Which means a 2005 997.1 with the IMSB already upgraded would be the best deal of all -- newer car, depreciation already priced in, with a serviceable IMS bearing to boot.
High mileage 996's are not going to hold up as well as high mileage 997.1's. In your case, my logic says that if you tack on 20K miles to that 996.2 you'll be at what will be considered high mileage territory for re-sale. If you tack on 20K miles to moderate mileage 997.1 you'll be pretty much in the same re-sale boat. So stretching your budget a little farther now makes more sense to me. For instance Autotrader who typically price their water-cooled cars on the high side (too many dealers looking for an extra margin) have a 997.1 with ~70K miles for negotiable $30K (see link below). Which means there are bound to be 997.1 out there from private sellers or the forum classifies for near/under $30K.
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...gIndex=1&Log=0
Interesting point about the 997. Thanks for the autotrader link! I didn't realize the 997s are starting to get that low in price...
My own concern would be the (relatively) high mileage on a car like that. I guess I'm just used to newer / lower mileage cars. Thoughts on wear & tear items once you get into the 75K - 100K + territory?
Curious about your comment about higher mileage 997s holding up better than 996s. Do you mean holding up better because the INT quality is better on the 997? Or mechanically? Or both?
Appreciate the insights!
