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This change presents quite a dilemma to the marketing folks at Porsche.
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That would technically allow cars to run softer spring rates and still be able to corner/grip while not upsetting the car over bumps which are more indicative of real world streets instead of the tracks where it's not as frequently encountered.
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If it wasn't for Red Bull, no one would've ever thought about using KERS as traction control.
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Along the same lines, what I'd like to see trickle down to road cars is the use of mass damper system.
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Absolutely correct, however I would have reacted in exactly the same way if you had said that you would like to see the use of superchargers filter down to road cars.
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That would technically allow cars to run softer spring rates and still be able to corner/grip while not upsetting the car over bumps which are more indicative of real world streets instead of the tracks where it's not as frequently encountered.
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Absolutely correct, however I would have reacted in exactly the same way if you had said that you would like to see the use of superchargers filter down to road cars.
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This change presents quite a dilemma to the marketing folks at Porsche. Porsches branded as "turbo" have always been the flagship models, making things problematic when the rest of the lineup also utilizes turbocharged engines. My guess is that only the top end 911s will actually wear the turbo badge, much like the Macan and Cayman line today. It's hard to say what the marketers will do though. My Audi SQ5 has a badge on the fender that says "V6T", and it's not turbocharged (it's supercharged).
Oh yea, now I see it is old news. Haven't been following Porsche for a while since 991, which is a turn off for me. I have zero interests in hybrids and 4cyl turbos...I guess I'll hang on to my 996
I also guess they will keep the Carrera and Carrera S badges and not adding "Turbo" to them. I wonder if the basic 911 will only get the regular non variable geometry turbos. The true "TT" needs some distinguishing features afterall.
One interesting twist is that it's much easier to tune turbocharged engines for big HP and performance gains. It won't be surprising to see standard Carreras tuned with big HP numbers.
Agreed...although with the strict CA smog where I live, not sure how much I can take advantage of that potential. I just hope at least they keep the weight down.
I'm not driving my 996 anymore. And I am going to buy all those 10K 996's out there and put them in storage. Soon, an unmolested 996 will be an appreciating asset.
True but VW/Audi and others have been doing different versions of the same basic architecture forever - Remember the 1.8t's - back when the TT originally came out, there was a 180hp version and a 225hp version over here. It was not just the programming or the turbo itself, but internal parts were different/stronger for the 225hp version.
Chipping a car is easy but if the manufacturer builds the lower powered version to be "sufficient" as designed and then builds a more powerful one with better/stronger internals, woe to the owner that cranks up the boost on the lower powered one...
None on my radar quite yet. I haven't even looked around for information sources yet (periodicals, websites). I'm still loving learning about my 996 and taking care of it, but when the day comes ... I think I'll always want a sports car.
!! Edit- holy wow I parked next to an Alfa 4C today, that thing looked b*d *ss, never saw one before.
Wow, they are already on the road? I only saw the photos. I'm always intrigued by Alfa ever since I rode in one as a kid. That 16v engine sound was just sooo sweet. There's something about the Italian engine sound...be it an Alfa, Ferrari or Maserati. I can't afford a Ferrari and Masarati is too GT (the grand turismo looks amazing though). A used Alfa seems attainable.
I also can't see myself driving anything else other than a sports car. I have kids so I still need the rear seats for now and the 996 is just perfect. If I were to upgrade, I will only go for a 997.2 but now that Jake said those owners may be looking for 996 engines in a few years, I'm a bit concerned
I'll throw my hat in for the record here if they're going all turbo in their lineup.
I suspect that the lower tier Boxsters, Caymans, 911's will get a lower displacement low power turbo setup while the upper tiers will get some form of hybrid setup like the 918 to separate it out from the rest. This will do a few immediate things: fuel economy, more power, heat control, better brake control and traction management(aka stability but also refined torque vectoring algorithms).
The only thing the lower tiers will be able to modify is upping the power from the turbos but not be able to match the other areas of the upper tier models.
I suspect from all the KERS and PSU development in F1, we'll see it trickle down into street driven cars considering everyone is going turbo these days and this would be the next evolution of efficiency.
If it wasn't for Red Bull, no one would've ever thought about using KERS as traction control.
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Historically, Porsche has always had a well defined tier structure for their models. The difference in HP between the Boxster, Cayman and 911 has always been well engineered.
I'm sure those crafty Germans will do the same within each model just as they have always done.
It does present a marketing dilemma with what we now know of as a "Turbo".
Interesting thoughts about KERS. I wonder if there's space for the KERS flywheel though...maybe there is with the smaller displacement 2.7L engine.
Very interesting read on the red bull car
http://jalopnik.com/red-bull-may-hav...olo-1442585020
Along the same lines, what I'd like to see trickle down to road cars is the use of mass damper system. That would technically allow cars to run softer spring rates and still be able to corner/grip while not upsetting the car over bumps which are more indicative of real world streets instead of the tracks where it's not as frequently encountered. If engineered correctly, this could be a more economical solution than to have the more sophisticated magnetorheological dampers.
Indeed. MOre reading here
https://racemagazine.com.au/editorial/mass-dampers
However, the Citroen design seems to be more focused on the springs and not so much on the mass. There was no extra mass involved like the Renault one.
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article...ounce&A=112686
Lol, that's like saying Superchargers have been used in cars since 1878. Basic principles might be the same but that's about it.
Actually what I was thinking about is the FRIC system. My bad.
Absolutely correct, however I would have reacted in exactly the same way if you had said that you would like to see the use of superchargers filter down to road cars.
My 1970 Austin 1100 2 door had FRICS.
Very little new under the sun.
By the way, the suspension in the 2CV was brilliant, you run down dirt tracks and run over sleeping policemen at high speed almost without noticing the bumps. Perfect for the French countryside.
Interesting...
But as I've said before, the basic principles are the same but nothing else. Modern road cars have evolved enough to take advantage of these revised principles in a more effective way IMO. The turbo was invented a long time ago too but manufacturers are willing to use it more these days and consumers more accepting of it due to the advancements in technology(variable geometry, synthetic oils, twin scroll, hybrid turbos, etc) that makes it more driveable and perform a lot better.
Anywho, we the consumers are the ones that will benefit from all this regardless of when it was invented and rather how it can be currently utilized and improved upon in today's modern road cars.
